Amanda Knox Is Innocent

[Orang Utan]

what are you calling her meredith for? did you know her?

 

[LiamO]

It's your word against the Pathologist. Meredith practiced karate and boxing. Did you know that?

wtf has dojo or gym practice got to do with someone's reaction in a real life or (in this case sadly) death situation? For most people adrenal overload will mean that their training is not worth a fuck.

all this extrapolation is, frankly, nonsense

 

[Anudder Oik]

That's true of everyone, I think. If you look at it rationally, without prejudice or preconceptions, you pretty much have to conclude that they were set up by a bonkers prosecutor, who bizarrely got lucky because the salacious media reports favored his crazy theories.

The exceptions are people who for some reason need or at least badly want to believe she's guilty. Mostly misogynists. I've been quite surprised at (some of ) the people who have fallen into this category here.

So, 50% of people questioned in Italy are mysogynists because they believe Knox is guilty and, incidentally most of them in the survey with this opinion are women. I think you need to fancy her to not be suspicious.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I find the misogynist link really quite a perplexing conclusion to come to.

 

[Fedayn]

I find the misogynist link really quite a perplexing conclusion to come to.

Not really, just a deliberate smear from phillip.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Now, Anyone care to explain away the faked break in? Why was it necessary? I'm still waiting for an answer on that not so minor detail.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Dumb-bell, the evidence that he is a psychopath is that he knifed a woman to death while raping her. Not good enough for you?

No psychiatrist worthy of the title would agree with you. Psychopathy can't be diagnosed from a single set of actions, it can only be inferred.

 

[dylans]

Now, Anyone care to explain away the faked break in? Why was it necessary? I'm still waiting for an answer on that not so minor detail.

It wasn't fake. Just more bullshit from the loony prosecutor and his inept forensic squad. Seriously, take a step back a moment. Think about this without all the fluff and bullshit. Either there was a huge conspiracy as the prosecutor contends, (except now involving persons unknown )or it was, as in most murders, just a mundane and grubby crime much like thousands and thousands of others. One with loose ends and unanswered questions perhaps, but that is probably true of much of life too.

 

[belboid]

Yeah he did. That's the thing, there is no bizarre conspiracy, no sex games gone wrong, no hidden hands, no occult connections. Just a simple, grubby, all too common, mundane rape and murder case involving the man who has properly been convicted of it, Rudy Guede.

Wow, you are incredibly certain considering all you have to go in are the reports in the papers. And you clearly havent read them fully. Its rather pathetic, a couple of days ago you were largely convinced of Knox's innocence, but thought there should be a retrial, but as soon as there is a verdict in which allows you to jump on your high horse, off you go!

 

[Anudder Oik]

It wasn't fake. Just more bullshit from the loony prosecutor

Lie. If you look at the photos of the crime scene you can see for yourself, draws unopened, nothing missing and glass on top of the clothes strewn about. The police and the flatmate concluded it so, long before the prosecutor became involved in the case.

You can't explain everything away so lazily.

 

[dylans]

Wow, you are incredibly certain considering all you have to go in are the reports in the papers. And you clearly havent read them fully. Its rather pathetic, a couple of days ago you were largely convinced of Knox's innocence, but thought there should be a retrial, but as soon as there is a verdict in which allows you to jump on your high horse, off you go!

Bollocks. I have argued that they were innocent from the beginning. Remember my Occams razor analogy. The one you dismissed with such vehement contempt. You are the one with egg on his face matey. You were the one baying for the blood of an innocent couple a few days ago. Its you who should take a long hard look at yourself and your vicious authoritarian instincts. You have been proved totally wrong on this.You accepted the bullshit story of sex orgies gone wrong and even tried to argue that pot can turn people into killers. How you can have the nerve to even show your face on here after your shameful performance is beyond me.

 

[belboid]

It wasn't fake. Just more bullshit from the loony prosecutor and his inept forensic squad. Seriously, take a step back a moment. Think about this without all the fluff and bullshit. Either there was a huge conspiracy as the prosecutor contends, or it was, as in much of life, just a mundane and grubby crime. One with loose ends and unanswered questions perhaps, but that is probably true of much of life too.

Dont try to apply occams razor again, or you'll make a bigger prat of yourself than you did last time. There need be no huge conspiracy for K&S to have been involved, it would have taken just the three of them. Fairly easy. And there is absolutely evidence that the window was broken after the room was tossed. What actual evidence do you have that it was the other way round?

 

[dylans]

Dont try to apply occams razor again, or you'll make a bigger prat of yourself than you did last time.

you mean the time I was proved absolutely right. That time?

 

[Fedayn]

Bollocks. I have argued that they were innocent from the beginning. Remember my Occams razor analogy. The one you dismissed with such vehement contempt. You are the one with egg on his face matey. You were the one baying for the blood of an innocent couple a few days ago. Its you who should take a long hard look at yourself and your vicious authoritarian instincts

Oh do fuck off with your histrionics. No-one was baying for anyones blood.

 

[belboid]

Bollocks. I have argued that they were innocent from the beginning. Remember my Occams razor analogy. The one you dismissed with such vehement contempt. You are the one with egg on his face matey. You were the one baying for the blood of an innocent couple a few days ago. Its you who should take a long hard look at yourself and your vicious authoritarian instincts

lol, you didnt make an 'occams razor analogy.' You attempted to apply the razor but did so appalingly badly. As you appeared to accept at the time - you only applied the razor to certain, very limited, parts of the evidence, and ignored other elements. When trying to tackle all those elements the razor doesn't work - if only because none of the versions put forward by the various parties really held together.

(there is also the fact that that is simply the wrong way of using Occams Razor, but it is the commonly held way, so we'll let you off on that one).

As for baying for blood, well, thats another fib. I said I thought they were guilty, if you can point to a post calling for them to be strung up, please quote it. otherwise please fuck off

 

[dylans]

Oh do fuck off with your histrionics. No-one was baying for anyones blood.

Baying!

 

[belboid]

you mean the time I was proved absolutely right. That time?

No dear, you weren't. Your application was shite. It's like saying 'ha! My stopped clock is perfect cos it got the time precisley right at 12.15 today'

 

[Orang Utan]

surely the only reasonable position to take here is that no one but those involved know the truth and you'd be foolish to call it either way?

 

[IC3D]

The thing is no ones been proved definitively wrong or right all there is now are more questions, more questions that can be answered by the baying mob to my satisfaction.

 

[Fedayn]

The thing is no ones been proved definitively wrong or right all there is now are more questions, more questions that can be answered by the baying mob to my satisfaction.

Which baying mob is this? After all, in dylans world not swallowing Knox and Sollecitos and the defence line = baying for her blood. Bless him....

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It wasn't fake. Just more bullshit from the loony prosecutor and his inept forensic squad. Seriously, take a step back a moment. Think about this without all the fluff and bullshit. Either there was a huge conspiracy as the prosecutor contends, (except now involving persons unknown )or it was, as in most murders, just a mundane and grubby crime much like thousands and thousands of others. One with loose ends and unanswered questions perhaps, but that is probably true of much of life too.

Whoa. That's the worlds laziest answer. Even "I dunno" could trump that.
Why no sign of anyone trampling foliage outside where the 'break in' took place. Nothing.
Attempts to reenact the break in were impossible.
A massive clean up before the break in that left only one of knoxes fingerprints, despite the fact that she lived in the house.
flat roughed up, and then the glass was broken?
Only Meredith's clothes in the warm washing machine after she was dead.
Knox came back for a shower and to collect a mop to take back to a house with a shower and a mop.
DNA evidence on the knife or not, Sollecito comes up with an impossible reason Meredith's DNA is on the knife.
Lies about phone calls to the police and Merediths phone.

Feh, I suppose all murders have some loose ends right? Even thought there are people who have to be lying at least about some details and still have not come clean.

 

[Riklet]

Cba to read the last 20+ pages, but just read the 'aquittal' news and maybe they are actually innocent, but my gut instinct is still 'guilty as sin', but hey. Not that that means very much though, ofc.

So the other student, the African(?) bloke is still in jail then? What a surprise. But the rich white kids who were in it up to their necks have got off...

 

[Maurice Picarda]

surely the only reasonable position to take here is that no one but those involved know the truth and you'd be foolish to call it either way?

She definitely looks like a murderer, though.

 

[goldenecitrone]

surely the only reasonable position to take here is that no one but those involved know the truth and you'd be foolish to call it either way?

The voice of reason. Wrong thread mate.

 

[savoloysam]

Cba to read the last 20+ pages, but just read the 'aquittal' news and maybe they are actually innocent, but my gut instinct is still 'guilty as sin', but hey. Not that that means very much though, ofc.

So the other student, the African(?) bloke is still in jail then? What a surprise. But the rich white kids who were in it up to their necks have got off...

My only hope is that leads him to come clean with the full story. However having his sentenced cut to 16yrs and maybe getting let out before then will probably force him to keep his mouth shut.

One thing is true. The Italian police and court system has fucked this case right up.

 

[savoloysam]

surely the only reasonable position to take here is that no one but those involved know the truth and you'd be foolish to call it either way?

Well you could and you could look at every single murder that way and let everyone kill each other, so long as nobody dares discuss the evidence nothing else matters eh?

 

[twentythreedom]

Lie. If you look at the photos of the crime scene you can see for yourself, draws unopened, nothing missing and glass on top of the clothes strewn about. The police and the flatmate concluded it so, long before the prosecutor became involved in the case.

You can't explain everything away so lazily.

A break-in needn't have to be a trash-the-gaff burglary - there's plenty reasons to break in somewhere and not empty stuff all over the floor in the process. I'm not saying I'm convinced either way, but the faked break-in thing is built on lazy preconceptions and stereotypes. It may be true, fuck knows, but I don't think anyone can be certain either way.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

A break-in needn't have to be a trash-the-gaff burglary - there's plenty reasons to break in somewhere and not empty stuff all over the floor in the process. I'm not saying I'm convinced either way, but the faked break-in thing is built on lazy preconceptions and stereotypes. It may be true, fuck knows, but I don't think anyone can be certain either way.

Yeah so like someone cleaned up, then they 'broke in', then they forgot that they hadn't actually broken in so they broke in. Only they 'broke in' in a way that was proven impossible.

Doesn't prove it was knox of course but it also doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Orang Utan]

Well you could and you could look at every single murder that way and let everyone kill each other, so long as nobody dares discuss the evidence nothing else matters eh?

i'm talking about the uninformed public view rather than official investigations

 

[Anudder Oik]

Yeah so like someone cleaned up, then they 'broke in', then they forgot that they hadn't actually broken in so they broke in. Only they 'broke in' in a way that was proven impossible.

Doesn't prove it was knox of course but it also doesn't make a lot of sense.

They also waited for the blood to be congealed on the body before cutting the bra off.