Amanda Knox Is Innocent

[Structaural]

Much as I'd love to trash the Mail, I think every paper will have had two versions of the story ready to roll, especially given the expected time of the verdict. The BBC even had pieces to camera that were filmed in daylight (nightfall in Italy is early and quick), that were aired that evening after the verdict, but which seemed to be in possession of the verdict despite having been clearly shot long before it was delivered. If they didn't have corresponding pieces ready for the other outcome, then I'd be very surprised.

What the Mail did was jump the gun, briefly issue the wrong story, and swiftly rectify their mistake.

True, still a little embarrassment for the 'journalists' who work there is always good. I heard the writer was mortified.

The jumping of the gun seems to be people reacting to the first words from the judge 'GUILTY..... of defamation'

Interesting thread here and there. My wife and I always had her down as innocent, but then I'm a lapsed Catholic and it's easy to hate on patriarchs who talk a lot of shit about 'witches' and 'devil-women'.

 

[Fedayn]

Dumb-bell, the evidence that he is a psychopath is that he knifed a woman to death while raping her. Not good enough for you?

That doesn't de facto suggest a psychopath, but you already know on it's own it's not evidence.

Yes twit, but when you respond in kind they don't go weeping to the Mods do they? Unless the Mods live in your house or you phone them up whenever you have a domestic dispute. Which wouldn't surprise me in your case actually.

We are referring to Atomic Suplex not your favourite toy krtek a hiouby. Put the goalposts back you silly little man. Again, you fail miserably to make a coherent argumet, but you're used to that....

Perhaps get that New York doctor pal of yours to whisper Guede's diagnosis into your ear again... That'll be good for a giggle eh phillip?

 

[phildwyer]

that New York doctor pal of yours

You never really recovered from that did you?

 

[Fedayn]

You never really recovered from that did you?

Good jokes are always funny phil, no matter how old they are.

 

[belboid]

Yep. The kind of person who will always instinctively believe the police. The kind of person who will seize any excuse to spew their hatred of "criminals" and their lust to discipline and punish. The kind of person who thinks their vile impulses can be safely displayed when a convicted murderer is under discussion. The kind of person who has been proved utterly wrong in this case.

Belobid, in a word.

really? I'm the one who immediately and always trusts the police and hates 'criminals'?? Wow, have a word with LLETSA, see how you two agree on that.

Once again tho, you have shown what you think the most important topic on this thread is - Phil Dwyer.

 

[danny la rouge]

The jumping of the gun seems to be people reacting to the first words from the judge 'GUILTY..... of defamation'

Yes, upon which there would have been cacophony in the news room, and red-faced men shouting "publish" and "get me something on her sex life" and so on.

Embarrassing for them, indeed.

 

[Structaural]

A crime-writers take (before the verdict):
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...ist-doug-preston-on-meredith-kerchers-murder/

 

[krtek a houby]

squirm off, you invertebrate wretched tout and (almost unbelievably) wannabe bully.

But thanks for the laugh when you assumed your 'mate' Garf was gonna back you up and you assumed your usual arse-licking stance - only for him to fart in your face. Classic.

I'm glad it fulfilled your otherwise empty existence

Astounding return, all the same. To think you've been bottling it up all this time. I'd forgotten all about you, tbf.

 

[ViolentPanda]

still wanking phil?

Student-age females make his palms sweat. He has to do something to dry them off.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well obviously whoever killed her is a psychopath. No?

Why would the killer "obviously" be a psychopath? Only a small percentage of killers are ever diagnosed as, or have a prior diagnosis of what used to be called psychopathic tendencies.

 

[LiamO]

I'd forgotten all about you, tbf.

Et tu Crybaby? how can you say that? sniff... you called me 'mate' once... 10 years ago... at least you did in my head... sob... howl... please sir... jer's being nasty to me

 

[Rainingstairs]

Good to see Urban thrumming along, pedantically as ever.

The thing that seems to be the biggest source of confusion and the stem of everyone's convictions is the media. Unfortunately, they're reporting the information based on their biases and not doling out the unadulterated truth (surely already discussed). Whatever that is.

Did she do it? I don't think so but who can be sure? Am I glad she wasn't convicted? Absolutely. Based on what the prosecution led with? Conviction in itself would have been a crime.

 

[DarthSydodyas]

She's as innocent as MJ and OJ, mmkaay.

 

[Fedayn]

A crime-writers take (before the verdict):
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...ist-doug-preston-on-meredith-kerchers-murder/

People in the UK are shrill, the US press are totally objective I presume?!

 

[savoloysam]

Why?
The victims family have justice. The person who really killed their daughter is in prison. It is the people who were wrongly convicted for this crime who are free. Why should this sadden the victim's family? The assumption that the release of wrongly convicted people somehow represents an injustice to the family of a victim is wrong, there is neither justice nor satisfaction to be had in the conviction of the wrong person.

No they don't because he didn't act alone.

 

[Ae589]

A crime-writers take (before the verdict):
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...ist-doug-preston-on-meredith-kerchers-murder/

Interesting. He has previous experience of Mignini's methods.

"There is a supposed seal of secrecy over the Kercher investigation, but that allows the prosecutor to leak selective things to the newspapers while preventing independent journalists from exploring alternative theories."

"The prosecutor decided Knox was guilty and is now collecting the evidence against her, which, like the above, are all half-clues, carefully cherry-picked from the mass of evidence. This is not how a proper criminal investigation should proceed, as any homicide detective in the United States would tell you."

 

[savoloysam]

Why?
The victims family have justice. The person who really killed their daughter is in prison. It is the people who were wrongly convicted for this crime who are free. Why should this sadden the victim's family? The assumption that the release of wrongly convicted people somehow represents an injustice to the family of a victim is wrong, there is neither justice nor satisfaction to be had in the conviction of the wrong person.

In fact they will never have justice no matter comes to light, Nothing will bring Meredith back and nothing will ever heal the pains they feel and the person you believe who is guilty and guilty alone will be walking the streets in a few years.

Twat.

 

[dylans]

No they don't because he didn't act alone.

Yeah he did. That's the thing, there is no bizarre conspiracy, no sex games gone wrong, no hidden hands, no occult connections. Just a simple, grubby, all too common, mundane rape and murder case involving the man who has properly been convicted of it, Rudy Guede.

 

[dylans]

In fact they will never have justice no matter comes to light, Nothing will bring Meredith back and nothing will ever heal the pains they feel and the person you believe who is guilty and guilty alone will be walking the streets in a few years.

Twat.

That's true of all murder cases. Believe me, I know.

(and cut out the stupid abuse please)

 

[Fedayn]

Why?
The victims family have justice. The person who really killed their daughter is in prison. It is the people who were wrongly convicted for this crime who are free. Why should this sadden the victim's family? The assumption that the release of wrongly convicted people somehow represents an injustice to the family of a victim is wrong, there is neither justice nor satisfaction to be had in the conviction of the wrong person.

Given he didn't act alone, no they don't have justice.

 

[Belushi]

Yeah he did. That's the thing, there is no bizarre conspiracy, no sex games gone wrong, no hidden hands, no occult connections. Just a simple, grubby, all too common, mundane rape and murder case involving the man who has properly been convicted of it, Rudy Guede.

This, the more I read about this case the more I became convinced of the innocence of Sollecito and Knox.

 

[dylans]

Given he didn't act alone, no they don't have justice.

Justice is a concept that can never truly be realised in a murder case, this is true. Its ephemeral and elusive and there is never really any closure no matter what the outcome. But this is a general truth that applies to all murders. Because, as has been noted, nothing can make up for the loss of a life.Nothing can bring the dead back which is all the victims family really want. All true. However the man who killed their daughter is in prison. This is the best human beings have devised for dealing with murder. The promise that the person responsible be found and will pay for his act in some way. This is what we call justice, however inadequate a concept. There is nothing else to find and searching for something that isn't there will never bring them peace

 

[Fedayn]

Justice is a concept that can never truly be realised in a murder case, this is true. But this is a general truth that applies to all murders. Because, as has been noted, nothing can make up for the loss of a life.Nothing can bring the dead back which is all the victims family really want. All true. However the man who killed their daughter is in prison. This is the best human beings have devised for dealing with murder. The promise that the person responsible will pay in some way. This is what we call justice, however inadequate a concept. There is nothing else to find and searching for something that isn't there will never bring them peace

One of the people who killed their daughter yes he is. That doesn't equate to justice though.

 

[dylans]

One of the people who killed their daughter yes he is. That doesn't equate to justice though.

Fine then by all means let the police search for the supposed co conspirators. It's just that I don't believe there are any. You do, we will have to disagree.

 

[Rainingstairs]

Yeah he did. That's the thing, there is no bizarre conspiracy, no sex games gone wrong, no hidden hands, no occult connections. Just a simple, grubby, all too common, mundane rape and murder case involving the man who has properly been convicted of it, Rudy Guede.

prolly huh. Occam's razor, innit.

 

[phildwyer]

This, the more I read about this case the more I became convinced of the innocence of Sollecito and Knox.

That's true of everyone, I think. If you look at it rationally, without prejudice or preconceptions, you pretty much have to conclude that they were set up by a bonkers prosecutor, who bizarrely got lucky because the salacious media reports favored his crazy theories.

The exceptions are people who for some reason need or at least badly want to believe she's guilty. Mostly misogynists. I've been quite surprised at (some of ) the people who have fallen into this category here.

 

[Fedayn]

Fine then by all means let the police search for the supposed co conspirators. It's just that I don't believe there are any. You do, we will have to disagree.

Thats fine, however I don't think this is the end.... That said, although I am sligtly more convinced by Nick Clegg's honesty than I am of Knox and Sollectio's innocence, due to incompetence I am not convinced it should go anywhere else now such is the mess they created.

 

[phildwyer]

A crime-writers take (before the verdict):
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...ist-doug-preston-on-meredith-kerchers-murder/

Very interesting analysis:

"That is The Scarlet Letter all over again. That is the witch-hunt, The Crucible, the sick mob tendency to see somebody proclaimed guilty before there has even been a trial."

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

A crime-writers take (before the verdict):
http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2...ist-doug-preston-on-meredith-kerchers-murder/

He complains about the prosecution cherry picking details that would help the prosecution (which is er, normal, I can't imagine the defense would want to bring up anything that is damning either), and yet he does exactly the same, leaving out all the unexplainable and puzzling details and playing down others in a rather misleading manner.
It actually just reads like he has been reading the Knox pro american press and nothing else. Doesn't sound like he read the abundant also pro english press, in fact it sounds like he just read what the US press 'said' about the english press.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Yeah he did. That's the thing, there is no bizarre conspiracy, no sex games gone wrong, no hidden hands, no occult connections. Just a simple, grubby, all too common, mundane rape and murder case involving the man who has properly been convicted of it, Rudy Guede.

It's your word against the Pathologist. Meredith practiced karate and boxing. Did you know that? She had no assailant DNA under her fingernails (Funny how they didn't think of planting some) and no cuts to her hands, the type you would expect in a struggle to defend herself. The pathologist concludes that she was held by accomplices so as to allow the killer to be able to weild the knife freely.

You can believe the dumbed down american reporting or you can consider the pathologists real life conclusion.