Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[ViolentPanda]

What has the ceiling fan got do with the flow chart (upper right hand corner)?

Trying to work out what that is.

It's supposed to be a UAV/drone, I believe.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I nicked it.

Thieving Viking cunt!!!

 

[TruXta]

Thieving Viking cunt!!!

That's what we do!

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

What has the ceiling fan got do with the flow chart (upper right hand corner)?

Trying to work out what that is.

it's a drone

 

[Firky]

Well it looks more like a ceiling fan!

Or maybe an orchid.

 

[DaveCinzano]

...Anyway, they went to Greece - Laurie and Molly. What they've produced is guaranteed to make the old men in cardigans who write for the mainstream media cough up more spleen, and the art critics shake their postmodernist heads.

For the first duty of journalism is to record reality. To do that you have to go to ordinary places and see them in an extraordinary way.

Greece is no longer an ordinary place. But in the summer of 2012, once the left had failed to win the election and the fascist terror against immigrants was in full swing, it was a place that seemed to defy conventional reporting by the mainstream media.

How do you record despair, fear, the slow exodus of the talented and the entrepreneurial to somewhere else' How do you record the kind of sporadic protest that its proponents call 'beautiful trouble'. You go. you write, and in the case of Molly Crabapple. you sketch...

etc.

Just as a reminder - they were there no more than a week!

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...cebook-handbags.266196/page-146#post-11581461

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well it looks more like a ceiling fan!

Or maybe an orchid.

No-one said it was a well-drawn drone.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

No, it's about a type of journalism which continually crosses the border with fiction; which relates the life and experiences of the author rather than the subject, and merely uses subjects as pegs on which to hang self-referential anecdotage; which happily "lifts" and decontextualises the work and words of others.
And about a specific type of journalist that does this sort of thing: Children of privilege whose experiences have very little in common with the sort of political and social activism they use as a vehicle for their careerism.

Not "Bollocks" at all, in other words.

a VERY specific "type".

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's what we do!

Vicky the viking doesn't!

 

[TruXta]

Vicky the viking doesn't!

We don't rate her.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Thirty years too late, I'm afraid.

You are LLETSA and I claim my five pounds.

Now lets get back to the Laurie Penny Oxbridge Clusterfuck shall we?

 

[TruXta]

You are LLETSA and I claim my five pounds.

Now lets get back to the Laurie Penny Oxbridge gang-bang shall we?

It'd be better if you refrained from using terms like gang-bang.

 

[Jackobi]

What has the ceiling fan got do with the flow chart (upper right hand corner)?

Trying to work out what that is.

It's a drone.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

You are LLETSA and I claim my five pounds.

Now lets get back to the Laurie Penny Oxbridge gang-bang shall we?

Don't be a twat

 

[JimW]

It's a drone.

You just don't care about all those children in the Middle East killed by ceiling fans

 

[ViolentPanda]

a VERY specific "type".

Unfortunately not. The self-referential stuff had already crept into the mainstream at the end of the last century, albeit in the more Thompsonesque writings of Will Self, or the rants of Ann Leslie. The "activist"/politically-engaged slant was in place by the mid-00s through the likes of Hari. The media love such "cred"-bestowing faux-activist commentators. The genre is growing.

 

[ViolentPanda]

We don't rate her.

Call yourself a Viking? Vicky is a boy!!!

 

[cesare]

She ain't blocked me.

Nor me. She just ignores me when I say anything to her though. Probably rightly Molly at least replies.

 

[Bakunin]

Nor me. She just ignores me when I say anything to her though. Probably rightly Molly at least replies.

Same here. I've made some blunt remarks, but never insulting, and it seems as though I'm one of the Unpeople already.

 

[TruXta]

I haven't tried to engage. Guess that makes me a wibewal bystander/cunt.

 

[Random]

What's important is that participants see nothing wrong with the careerism, as long as it doesn't become liberal. They are as anti-liberal as the posters on u75.

I'm confused. So they're a bit like the Living Marxism lot? Pro-capitalist far lefties? The US has it's fair share of third worldist maoist sects as well, are they from that stable?

 

[Blagsta]

I haven't tried to engage. Guess that makes me a wibewal bystander/cunt.

My liberal comment was tongue in cheek!

 

[cesare]

Same here. I've made some blunt remarks, but never insulting, and it seems as though I'm one of the Unpeople already.

It's no skin off my nose, tbf.

 

[Bakunin]

It's no skin off my nose, tbf.

Nor mine. I fully agree with anybody ignoring comments that are insulting or spiteful or threatening. What twists my tit is anybody ignoring any criticism, no matter how accurate or fair, if they can ignore it and smear any critic they can't by throwing insults and outright lies at them.

 

[Delroy Booth]

It'd be better if you refrained from using terms like gang-bang.

would you prefer I said "Oxbridge media clique" or something instead?

Objection noted and put into the minutes, comrade

 

[Random]

I don't know much about what I like but I do know art.

Knowing your Manet from your Monet can mean the difference between an internship at the New Statesman and and internment at New Cross, if you know what I mean.

 

[cesare]

Nor mine. I fully agree with anybody ignoring comments that are insulting or spiteful or threatening. What twists my tit is anybody ignoring any criticism, no matter how accurate or fair, if they can ignore it and smear any critic they can't by throwing insults and outright lies at them.

I think what's pissing her off is that she's discovered that there's a slightly more radical left than hers already in existence, and she doesn't like it.

 

[JimW]

Objection noted and put into the minutes, comrade

With a mental note made to put him up for that cadre's job in the Xinjiang salt pans at the first available opportunity.

 

[weepiper]

I think what's pissing her off is that she's discovered that there's a slightly more radical left than hers already in existence, and she doesn't like it.

I think it's like when you come to the realisation in your early teens that your parents have sex. And *shudder* enjoy it

 

[Delroy Booth]

I think it's like when you come to the realisation in your early teens that your parents have sex. And *shudder* enjoy it

Not as bad as the realisation dawning on you shortly after joining the Socialist Party out of a misguided sense of nostalgia that your mum only joined coz Derek Hatton was trying to shag her....