Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Neither, I’m talking about the whole of the UK
About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..
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8ball
Merr xmas...
Goes double for vile and unacceptable reckless dangerously speeding cars.
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hiraethified
Nicely put:
To drive at 20mph I need to keep my eyes focussed on the speedo and that’s not safe
If you’re unable to maintain a particular speed without your eyes glued to the speedo, driving’s not for you. One of the things learner drivers master early on is the ability to keep to a particular speed while occasionally glancing at the speedometer to check their speed hasn’t crept up. It’s a basic skill that’s assessed by examiners as part of the driving test. After all, driving steadily at 20mph is no different from maintaining 30, 40 or 70mph.20mph speed limits force me to drive in a lower gear
This might be the case if you’re driving a high-revving classic sports car, but if you’re behind the wheel of a modern car you’ll be able to comfortably maintain 20mph in third or even fourth gear. If you don’t believe us, then watch our our video. We drove a little city car with a one-litre engine on 20mph-limited streets to see how it performed.
platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
Driving at 20 in fourth like that is bad practice. It's bad to labour the engine, both for the engine and for fuel economy. It also means you have less control. On the other hand there's no problem at all driving in 2nd, so the answer "20mph speed limits force me to drive in a lower gear" should be "Yes, lower speeds generally require lower gears, what's the problem?".
8ball
Merr xmas...
That's not an answer, that's a question.
To which the answer would likely be "reduced fuel economy due to frictional losses".
But then this wouldn't apply to electric cars, which all cars will be in no time at all, yessirree.
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hiraethified
How much 'control' do you envision needing when pootling along at 20mph or under?
8ball
Merr xmas...
Please tell me you don't drive.
ska invita
back on the other side
it would be funny to see all the annoyed audi drivers etc being capped to drive at the speed limit - that anger not far off auto destruct i expect
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's true enough that a car is more efficient at 30mph than 20mph. At 30mph it's actually close to its maximum efficiency - just short of 'A' on the graph below.
This graph is from a 2014 study. I don't know if modern cars have a different profile.
It's also true that a car is more efficient the closer it stays to a constant speed, so you also have to factor in more braking when going faster.
But then this measure isn't about car efficiency. It's about road safety and general town liveability.
This graph is from a 2014 study. I don't know if modern cars have a different profile.
It's also true that a car is more efficient the closer it stays to a constant speed, so you also have to factor in more braking when going faster.
But then this measure isn't about car efficiency. It's about road safety and general town liveability.
liquidindian
Hello
The argument about it being difficult to drive at 20mph is pretty funny. All those thousands of pounds on a thing that isn't very good at its main job. No wonder drivers are angry all the time.
ska invita
back on the other side
this is pretty incredible, i wasnt aware of this - sounds like it will be physically impossible to drive over the speed limit in a 2024 new car (and cars built after that)
www.parkers.co.uk
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Mandatory speed limiters: how they work and what they mean for drivers
Mandatory speed limiters will be sold on all brand-new cars in the UK starting July 2024. Parkers explains everything you need to know about the tech.
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Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
this is pretty incredible, i wasnt aware of this - sounds like it will be physically impossible to drive over the speed limit in a 2024 new car (and cars built after that)
Mandatory speed limiters: how they work and what they mean for drivers
Mandatory speed limiters will be sold on all brand-new cars in the UK starting July 2024. Parkers explains everything you need to know about the tech.
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It's been around for a while. Trouble is, drivers can turn it off, just like other assist features.
souljacker
innit
To be fair, you should be checking your speed regularly. But car manufacturers had the sense to put the speedo RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU so you can still keep your eyes on the road even while checking it.
People used to moan about this on the 50 speed limit average checkers on motorways. But apparently, when the speed limit actually is 50, they somehow don't need to be constantly checking it.
People used to moan about this on the 50 speed limit average checkers on motorways. But apparently, when the speed limit actually is 50, they somehow don't need to be constantly checking it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I can tell when cars are driving over 20mph and I don’t even drive a car
Ranbay
The same rules apply
I drive at 20mph by my house and the looks i get like im doing 40mph fucks me off...
8ball
Merr xmas...
You're probably driving at 20.1 mph and that's OU you see glaring at you.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
There’s a small smiley frowny man on a hill I cruise down who tells me if I’m going too fast, so I’ve managed to work out how fast 20 miles an hours is to avoid the frown.
8ball
Merr xmas...
Have you spoken to him about recruiting a smiley-frowny army?
8ball
Merr xmas...
Oh, I thought you’d have been in favour.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Or 16.5 million Magnum Classics!
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
As if that money would've gone to the NHS ffs.
Anyway don't the same people who hate 20 think nurses and doctors were dancing throughout the "plandemic" or something?!
8ball
Merr xmas...
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Good use of maths except to explain where the magic 33 million came from. Also pretty sure those numbers don’t include employer NI and Pension costs so it’s far fewer nurses anyway.
If inventing stats is allowed then I’d like to put forward the person hit by a car at 20mph who survives (when they didn’t at 30mph) to become a billionaire and bequeaths half their fortune to the NHS, and the rest towards creating more cycle lanes and low traffic neighbourhoods.
2hats
Dust.
£33M sounds like a bargain for the lives saved, injury reduction and attendant costs, year after year going forwards.
(The number comes from a FOI request).
(The number comes from a FOI request).
Indeed - drivers get very altruistic as soon as they’re slightly inconvenienced though eg. a sudden concern about air pollution if they have to drive slightly further due to an LTN.
The funny thing about this - is that even taking this at face value - 1000 extra staff, the nhs has 1.27m full time equivalent staff.
instead of the LTNs we could have added 0.08% more staff to the NHS, that’ll fix it
LTNs sound like great value !
hash tag
Books, not bombs
It will reduce the number of hospital treatments/admissions and ambulance call outs due to respiratory related diseases not to mention injuries
by accidents
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