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About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..

Much as I sometimes resent sharing a bike lane with them, the illegal electric motorbike riders cause much more risk to themselves than anyone else, which can't be said for car drivers.

Cardiff Council and SWP very performatively police the cycling ban on Queen St in Cardiff, with shaming photos on Twitter etc . It mostly catches Deliveroo etc workers who do, tbf, go too fucking fast but no one considers the role of various delivery apps in the situation. I have suggested to both that they might have equally easy pickings standing by the motor traffic past the Castle every day and spot-fining motorists on their phones (I see so many every day whether cycling or driving) but they don't seem so keen on that for some reason, even though the latter is evidently more dangerous.
 
klang said:
(((drivers))) :(
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I initially asked because I mistakenly thought cyclists were subject to speed limits and Wales is pretty rich in places where you can get a good bit of speed up.

A mate of my Dad’s was once stopped for pelting down a hill. Maybe if it had gone anywhere they would have been thinking about a “dangerous cycling” charge, or maybe plod were just bored. This was many years ago.
 
Plumdaff said:
Cardiff Council and SWP very performatively police the cycling ban on Queen St in Cardiff, with shaming photos on Twitter etc . It mostly catches Deliveroo etc workers who do, tbf, go too fucking fast but no one considers the role of various delivery apps in the situation.
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That’s a good point. I bet these guys would be in much less of a hurry if they were unemployed.
 
8ball said:
I initially asked because I mistakenly thought cyclists were subject to speed limits and Wales is pretty rich in places where you can get a good bit of speed up.

A mate of my Dad’s was once stopped for pelting down a hill. Maybe if it had gone anywhere they would have been thinking about a “dangerous cycling” charge, or maybe plod were just bored. This was many years ago.
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I know a lot of people in Germany who lost their driving license for misbehaving on their pushies. Speeding, jumping red lights, drunk riding, all is penalised harshly over there.

In London there seems to be a periodical push to catch red light jumpers. They then recruit some traffic cops to wait around the main junctions and hand out tickets. Not a big deal, they are usually gone after a day or 2.
 
Fucking about with user names again
edcraw said:
editor - any chance we can separate e-bike post off to a new thread?
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Maybe just make you the mod, Eeyore, and cut out the middleman.

What do you expect him to do, create another thread then go back through this one and move all the posts that you don't like across?
 
Spymaster said:
Maybe just make you the mod, Eeyore, and cut out the middleman.

What do you expect him to do, create another thread then go back through this one and move all the posts that you don't like across?
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Yeah, disentangling things is something I hadn’t properly thought about. If we’re talking about stuff like batteries catching fire and which bikes are any good, though, then maybe starting an e-bike thread and picking things up from there is best.
 
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8ball said:
Yeah, disentangling things is something I hadn’t properly thought about. If we’re talking about stuff like batteries catching fire and which bikes are any good, though, then maybe starting an e-bike thread and picking things up from there is best.
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Or just let the thread run its course like every other. If someone wants to discuss something else, post about that and if others are interested they'll engage. Pretty much all threads meander.
 
Spymaster said:
Or just let the thread run its course like every other. If someone wants to discuss something else, post about that and if others are interested they'll engage. Pretty much all threads meander.
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They do. Tbh the thing I find most irritating is the posters who aggressively interject to point out that the thread is going off topic and they are no longer entertained.

If it leads to less of that I’m happy to have offshoot threads.

But then it’s also understandable that people expect a thread to roughly do what it says in the title…
 
8ball said:
They do. Tbh the thing I find most irritating is the posters who aggressively interject to point out that the thread is going off topic and they are no longer entertained.

If it leads to less of that I’m happy to have offshoot threads.

But then it’s also understandable that people expect a thread to roughly do what it says in the title…
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Just think of people want to discuss the dangers of e-bikes it’d be better to have its own thread and keep this one to discuss the pros & cons of the 20mph.

But as mentioned all “anti-car” threads will always have some what about bikes element depressingly.
 
edcraw said:
Just think of people want to discuss the dangers of e-bikes it’d be better to have its own thread and keep this one to discuss the pros & cons of the 20mph.
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A quick search of your own posts on this thread reveals very limited interest in the 20mph topic. They're mostly about e-bike legislation (oh, the irony :D ) insults or personal attacks, or attempts at thread policing.

If you want to discuss the limit, post something worth others responding to Eeyore, instead of ordering the mods around.
 
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It is true enough that threads about road legislation inevitably lead to discussion of bikes. It's boring whatabboutery generally.

In this instance, at least there does appear to be a majority agreement that these new limits are not something to be opposed. Of course road and transport policy needs to be joined up and measures to restrict cars need to be accompanied by measures elsewhere to provide decent alternatives. But this is a small step in the right direction.

I'm not anti-car. I recognise the freedom car ownership can provide and the necessity for many people to own a car. But aside from designated motor-only roads (on which I have no problem with high speed limits), roads don't only belong to motor vehicles. Attitudes and legislation have all too often assumed that they do. Good to see that changing slowly.
 
So today involved lots of driving around the county. People are complying, traffic noticeably slower in built up areas BUT there is a lot of vandalism on the new signs, especially down in Llanelli. The 2 in 20 has been spray painted out on lots of the signs.
 
planetgeli said:
So today involved lots of driving around the county. People are complying, traffic noticeably slower in built up areas BUT there is a lot of vandalism on the new signs, especially down in Llanelli. The 2 in 20 has been spray painted out on lots of the signs.
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If it goes the way it did here, you'll find that people will comply for a while whilst they get used to it and figure out where all the enforcement is. Then they'll largely ignore it where it's inappropriate. At the moment it's a brand new novelty and people think they'll get done if they go over 20mph anywhere over there. Once they realise that's not the case they'll get braver.
 
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This article demolishes this idiotic quote from an unnamed mechanic that's being shared all over social media:

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Reducing peak road speeds in areas where people live, work or play saves energy and cash. Research into typical stop/start urban traffic by Future Transport reveals fuel efficiency peaks with speed capped at 20mph. Drivers benefit from up to 10p per mile in fuel savings without trips taking longer. That’s a 30 per cent saving in urban fuel costs.

In built-up towns and villages, the key factor in fuel consumption is the number of times you accelerate back up to the speed limit after slowing down or stopping – the higher the speed limit then the greater that acceleration influences fuel consumption.

Engineering consultants at Future Transport modelled the fuel efficiency in accelerating from stopped to between 5 and 40mph. For a typical urban drive cycle – with repeated acceleration and deceleration – fuel efficiency peaks at a top speed of 15-20mph.
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www.eta.co.uk

Myth busters: 20mph speed limits | ETA

Some drivers are very cross about 20mph speed limits. The idea that towns and cities are cleaner, safer for walking and cycling, and generally nicer
www.eta.co.uk www.eta.co.uk
 
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