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About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..

editor said:
The biggest problem with eBikes and eScooters are the batteries bursting into flames.
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eBike standards were regulated from the get go. Which means the batteries are less likely to go up in flames. People buying cheap replacement chargers of eBay etc. are still an issue.

The problem with eScooters is that they were for use on 'Private Property only' (which has been totally ignored by lots and lots of twats) from the get go and so needed no such regulation.
The result, a huge industry of scooters with batteries outside of a standard.

As much as I hate the eScooter twats, I wish they'd been embraced, legislated and regulated from the start.

The slow realisation that they weren't going to go away and that there needed to be measures to cope with them has created issues that are ingrained and therefore harder to crack.
 
hash tag said:
The protests are totally out of proportion
www.theguardian.com

Dear drivers, steady as you go at 20mph. And welcome to the future | Christian Wolmar

A new speed limit in Wales is the latest policy intended to prioritise people’s needs over cars. I believe that’s the way to go, says transport writer Christian Wolmar
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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I agree with the criticism that this country's governments are just throwing solitary solutions at the public.

Instead of a much needed holistic grand plan.
 
newme said:
Baffled I have maybe 60 lithium batteries and none have caught fire over multiple years. Sounds like a manufacturing issue. Are there a lot of flaming bikes around?
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Enough for the Fire Brigade to make a statement about it.

Fires involving lithium batteries are the fastest growing fire risk in London. So far in 2023 we've been called to, on average, an e-bike or e-scooter fire once every two days. In 2022, we attended 87 e-bike and 29 e-scooter fires, a total of 116 fires.

Whilst E-Bikes and E-Scooters offer a great way round the city, if the batteries become damaged or begin to fail they can start incredibly ferocious fires. Lithium battery fires can spread quickly out of control, and within minutes have started a large fire.
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www.london-fire.gov.uk

#ChargeSafe: E-bike and e-scooters are London’s fastest-growing fire trend.

Whilst e-bikes and e-scooters offer a great way round the city, if the batteries become damaged or begin to fail, they can start incredibly ferocious fires.
www.london-fire.gov.uk www.london-fire.gov.uk
 
editor said:
Enough for the Fire Brigade to make a statement about it.



www.london-fire.gov.uk

#ChargeSafe: E-bike and e-scooters are London’s fastest-growing fire trend.

Whilst e-bikes and e-scooters offer a great way round the city, if the batteries become damaged or begin to fail, they can start incredibly ferocious fires.
www.london-fire.gov.uk www.london-fire.gov.uk
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From that page:
In 2021, Transport for London (TfL) banned e-scooters from London's transport network. This is due to a number of fires on the network involving these vehicles. This means you’re unable to take your electric personal vehicles on any TfL service.
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I can tell plenty of people still try and do take them on the tube. I force them off when I spot them but I can't always spot them amongst crowds.

The one fire took place on an outside section. A couple of people still went to hospital after breathing in the acid smoke.

Imagine if one caught fire on a full train in a tunnel section. Four minutes to the next stop. Acid smoke in a confined space with no escape.

My advice to anyone on a tube train and someone with an eScooter gets on... get off.
 
editor said:
Enough for the Fire Brigade to make a statement about it.



www.london-fire.gov.uk

#ChargeSafe: E-bike and e-scooters are London’s fastest-growing fire trend.

Whilst e-bikes and e-scooters offer a great way round the city, if the batteries become damaged or begin to fail, they can start incredibly ferocious fires.
www.london-fire.gov.uk www.london-fire.gov.uk
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Well yeh but they make statements about everything that can catch fire. It's kind of what they are expected to do. Half of all fires are related to cooking appliances.
 
Ebikes: the correct name for the legal ones is e-assist-bikes, as Idaho has been riding around the Pyrenees recently. They are expensive to buy, >£1500 for a road bikes, >£5k for an mtb. They are well made with decent batteries and chargers. There are cheapo versions of these, ~£500 for a road bike, they will be imported from China without meeting UK safety standards, add to this the charger on these ones will likely fail quickly and an even crappier replacement sourced from ebay and that's where the fires are coming from. And they are very intense fires.
The things that started the discussion on this thread, the Deliveroo type bikes, they are pushbikes that have been illegally converted to electric motorbikes, as such they need a licence, tax and insurance, to get the last two they need to be registered, but as they have no running lights and meet no safety standards regarding construction or brakes, of course they can't. Some conversion kits will be OK, others a fire risk. The police seem wholly uninterested in the 1000's of these illegal motor-vehicles whizzing around our towns and cities.

fwiw even a decent ebike you can't take on a plane, ferries will take them. My one was flown from Germany to the UK by FedEx in their own aircraft, but passenger aircraft companies won't allow those types of batteries to go in the hold at all.
 
newme said:
Well yeh but they make statements about everything that can catch fire. It's kind of what they are expected to do. Half of all fires are related to cooking appliances.
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Perhaps you missed the bit where it states: "Fires involving lithium batteries are the fastest growing fire risk in London"
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Ebikes: the correct name for the legal ones is e-assist-bikes, as Idaho has been riding around the Pyrenees recently. They are expensive to buy, >£1500 for a road bikes, >£5k for an mtb. They are well made with decent batteries and chargers. There are cheapo versions of these, ~£500 for a road bike, they will be imported from China without meeting UK safety standards, add to this the charger on these ones will likely fail quickly and an even crappier replacement sourced from ebay and that's where the fires are coming from. And they are very intense fires.
The things that started the discussion on this thread, the Deliveroo type bikes, they are pushbikes that have been illegally converted to electric motorbikes, as such they need a licence, tax and insurance, to get the last two they need to be registered, but as they have no running lights and meet no safety standards regarding construction or brakes, of course they can't. Some conversion kits will be OK, others a fire risk. The police seem wholly uninterested in the 1000's of these illegal motor-vehicles whizzing around our towns and cities.
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So are things like this at the required standard?

Figured argos would have legal ones and are all over, plus first search result I got for ebike and argos. Also where my son was looking for one since convenience but is that too cheap and risky?
 
newme said:
So are things like this at the required standard?

Figured argos would have legal ones and are all over, plus first search result I got for ebike and argos. Also where my son was looking for one since convenience but is that too cheap and risky?
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Will be legal, but:

Full charge gives max 18 miles of range, real life closer to 10
Motor is in the rear hub, which is utter gash
Doesn't even mention the manufacturer of the motor or battery, which comes with a 1 year guarantee, which when that goes wrong or the charger does you hit ebay to repair it and your house burns down


It's a total piece of shit and waste of money.
 
klang said:
So, 30 miles in built up areas in Wales is illegal, and illegal electric mopeds are illegal. What's the problem?
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One is enforced and the other not, I believe was the original gripe. Personally couldn't care less about illegal electric motorbikes or scooters.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Will be legal, but:

Full charge gives max 18 miles of range, real life closer to 10
Motor is in the rear hub, which is utter gash
Doesn't even mention the manufacturer of the motor or battery, which comes with a 1 year guarantee, which when that goes wrong or the charger does you hit ebay to repair it and your house burns down


It's a total piece of shit and waste of money.
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It was to go 5 miles each way and that was just the first one that came up. Interesting points tho. My mum has one but she paid more in the range you mentioned and it was from a ebike specific place.

Where should the motor be?
 
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