About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..
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newme
Giant in Pastyland now
People like the NHS overall so it gets trotted out for a lot of things as a comparison. Eg the brexit bus.
Also turns what should be a wide approach to trying to make absolutely everything better into x thing versus the NHS
hash tag
Books, not bombs
FFS, can they not amend existing timetables
Wales' 20mph speed limit: Bus route cuts considered
Arriva Buses Wales says lowering the default speed limit has led to an "impact on punctuality".
www.bbc.co.uk
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
FFS, can they not amend existing timetables
Wales' 20mph speed limit: Bus route cuts considered
Arriva Buses Wales says lowering the default speed limit has led to an "impact on punctuality".www.bbc.co.uk
Think of all the Welsh transport planners sitting round a table looking seriously at each other:
"Restricting buses to 20mph is going to increase journey times"
.... "we didn't think of that, did we?"
Plumdaff
joy in people
Far more bus services lost since 2010 due to austerity, but let's use a current culture war bugbear. All these people suddenly so fucking concerned about the state of the NHS and bus routes, ask your good pals in Westminster about where Wales' HS2 transport money and NHS payrise funding is, for a start.....
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
OH DEAR! 
Wrexham magistrate quits rather than enforce 20mph law
Former police officer Nick Colbourne says he is "uneasy" about fining drivers who break the limit.
www.bbc.co.uk
8ball
Merr xmas...
Think of all the Welsh transport planners sitting round a table looking seriously at each other:
"Restricting buses to 20mph is going to increase journey times"
.... "we didn't think of that, did we?"
I’m sure I heard something about how, if anything, reducing traffic speeds make journeys faster.
Not that I could get my head round the physics of it.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
They should be called PUB DUST
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I’m sure I heard something about how, if anything, reducing traffic speeds make journeys faster.
Not that I could get my head round the physics of it.
More about regulating it than reducing it per se, to reduce bottlenecks. It's the theory behind variable speed limits on motorways, and can work in heavy traffic.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
"If you get 12 points, you're looking at a six-month ban under the totting up scheme," he said."
That's 4 offences. I imagine the average driver is a little more careful after their first offence, yet alone second or third.
Ex police as well
Bloke's an idiot. They're still knee-jerking in Wales. When they realise how few people actually get busted it'll all blow over.
8ball
Merr xmas...
Ah, right. I don’t think anyone got the memo about who was meant to leave their house a bit later. That would have helped.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Been poking around South Wales the past few days, most people seem to be below 25mph in the 20 zones, on the main roads the 20 zone is only through a village, so generally 1/2 mile and it’s back to 60, not really a biggie. Didn’t see any speed cameras at all so it could be ignored, but as such a tiny distance it seems churlish to ignore it.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I was also poking around in South Wales and note that there are still quite a few 30s as well as the new 20s .. It wasn't too hard to keep the right side of the law. And as you said Bahnhof Strasse the 20s aren't for too long at least in the bits I explored.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Same here in London with Mayor Khan being blamed by tory voters for creating the congestion charge and low emission zones. It was actually under consideration, planned and announced by Boris Johnson when he was mayor back in 2014. To this day labour and Khan are still being held responsible for it's inception.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A bit misleading, that. The congestion charge was introduced by Ken Livingston (hence the “Kengestion Charge”) His plan was to expand it out further than just the Central London area but he lost the 2008 election to Boris, who scrapped the extension.
The Low Emission Zone was a Tory policy but was only originally planned for the area within the North and South Circular roads. The shit that Khan is getting now is for the ULEZ expansion, which expands it to ALL London boroughs, many of which don’t have the same pollution problems as the central zone. It’s still a political thing though with biggest issue being that Khan has spent 200 million on a scrappage scheme that some argue was unnecessary, and some Tory councils in Greater London are making the new charge difficult to enforce. Barnet (I think) has instructed it’s traffic wardens to issue parking tickets to incorrectly parked ULEZ enforcement vehicles (which is most of them, given that they’re usually set-up in lay-bys and on grass verges!)
Plumdaff
joy in people
Some absolute bellend with a 'Welsh Lives Matter' flag at a demo about this on the weekend
FFS
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A 'go-slow' to protest the 20 mile an hour? What next, a bike convoy? Mass use of public transport?
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
I stand corrected. It was ulez.
Elpenor
a clown’s heart and a mandolin
Seen these signs all around my part of town, usually on bus stops / BT cabinets - they were put up during the Covid year of 2020 I think, the theory being slower driving means fewer people injured in accidents and less strain on NHS (there’s another sign that I forgot to photograph which explicitly mentions base NHS use).
Not a bad idea really though I’m not sure if many people pay attention to them tbh
Not a bad idea really though I’m not sure if many people pay attention to them tbh
wemakeyousoundb
hopefully not gimboid
in spain I remember traffic lights flashing amber but going red if you approached too fast to a built up area
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Plastic Paddy
As accurately predicted by myself some time ago, the Welsh are beginning to realise that the blanket 20mph is fucking bonkers! 
It won't be long now until my next prediction is realised and they all start ignoring it.
It won't be long now until my next prediction is realised and they all start ignoring it.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
“…confusing for drivers”
They’re all thick as fucking mince then.
They’re all thick as fucking mince then.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Aye. In Wales it's confusing drivers. In London we just think it's silly, so take no notice.
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