About the 20mph speed limit in Wales built up areas? Which goes live tonight..

[edcraw]

As accurately predicted by myself some time ago, the Welsh are beginning to realise that the blanket 20mph is fucking bonkers!

It won't be long now until my next prediction is realised and they all start ignoring it.

Sounds like they should just make this section 20mph as well unless the extra 7 seconds is simply too much to bear for drivers!

 

[kebabking]

I don't see the point in retaining the 30 limit - there should, for simplicity's sake, only be three limits: 20 for where cars and people mix, 40 for where cars and people don't physically mix, but where traffic noise impacts people living next to it, and 60/70 for where there aren't people and it doesn't matter how fast you go or what noise you make.

If you want people to make good decisions, don't overload them with crap - simple instructions, clearly signposted, and few enough of them so drivers spend more time watching other cars, people, and the road than they do looking at the next signpost.

 

[Spymaster]

I don't see the point in retaining the 30 limit - there should, for simplicity's sake, only be three limits: 20 for where cars and people mix, 40 for where cars and people don't physically mix, but where traffic noise impacts people living next to it, and 60/70 for where there aren't people and it doesn't matter how fast you go or what noise you make.

Far too sensible. And of course, it wouldn't give the AC freaks much to masturbate over. That's important.

 

[alex_]

Far too sensible. And of course, it wouldn't give the AC freaks much to masturbate over. That's important.

Air conditioning freaks ?

 

[Silas Loom]

I don't see the point in retaining the 30 limit - there should, for simplicity's sake, only be three limits: 20 for where cars and people mix, 40 for where cars and people don't physically mix, but where traffic noise impacts people living next to it, and 60/70 for where there aren't people and it doesn't matter how fast you go or what noise you make.

Broadly agree, although it’s a bit of a shame for the people who live on roads where it has been determined that mixing is forbidden and crossing is restricted to pelicans.

However, the traffic noise argument would be an odd one to base policy on, given that EVs are relatively silent and will soon be ubiquitous.

 

[Elpenor]

Far too sensible. And of course, it wouldn't give the AC freaks much to masturbate over. That's important.

Air Cuality?
Anti Car I reckon

 

[danny la rouge]

Air Cuality?
Anti Car I reckon

Air conditioning.

 

[Elpenor]

Automobyll Cymru?

 

[klang]

All cunts

 

[hash tag]

AC. Auto Carriers Ltd

 

[stavros]

Agatha Christie?

 

[Elpenor]

Audi-owning Cretins

 

[ddraig]

Fake 30mph speed limit signs put up to slow traffic

Villagers say the 60mph speed limit in is dangerous and want it to change.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SpookyFrank]

Hahahaha get on a bike then you prick.

 

[ddraig]

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Hahahaha get on a bike then you prick.

he's the reporter, that is a quote from some dullard

 

[Dogsauce]

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Hahahaha get on a bike then you prick.

Tbh the 20 limit can be quite annoying for bikes, I used to have to go out at 2am on empty streets if I wanted a good tearabout, otherwise you’re stuck behind cars or being run over by mopeds in the bike lanes. Though I don’t expect legislation to be based on my leisure activity needs.

 

[Dogsauce]

in spain I remember traffic lights flashing amber but going red if you approached too fast to a built up area

They have those in Portugal. There’s a camera with a warning sign, if you go past too fast, a bit further down the road is a traffic light which turns from green to red and holds you for about thirty seconds. Actually a really good idea because it provides instant justice by negating any benefit from speeding. I guess in the U.K. pricks might actually ignore the speed sign and the red light, but jumping red lights is frowned upon a bit more and easier to prosecute.

 

[T & P]

They have those in Portugal. There’s a camera with a warning sign, if you go past too fast, a bit further down the road is a traffic light which turns from green to red and holds you for about thirty seconds. Actually a really good idea because it provides instant justice by negating any benefit from speeding. I guess in the U.K. pricks might actually ignore the speed sign and the red light, but jumping red lights is frowned upon a bit more and easier to prosecute.

They have them in Spain as well. Very often at the start of a town/ urban area. Great idea- it gets you to reduce your speed, and if you’re a good boy and reduce it to to within the required speed limit ahead, you get rewarded with a traffic light that stays green. And the bad boys get to stop at a red light and fume

 

[Spymaster]

Yet more confusion reported among Welsh drivers as the 20 limit starts to be enforced.

When the 20mph was introduced in London there was some annoyance for sure, but no confusion. I mean, it's a fucking speed limit. What's to get confused about?

Are Welsh drivers more easily confused than English ones?

 

[Orang Utan]

Right about now, death crash brother

20mph: New speed limit worth it, says crash death brother

Councillor Gareth Parry's brother Keith was killed when a car hit him at 30mph in 1994.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[8ball]

When the 20mph was introduced in London there was some annoyance for sure, but no confusion. I mean, it's a fucking speed limit. What's to get confused about?

Bound to be less concern somewhere that the traffic never gets above 12 mph, though.

 

[planetgeli]

Yet more confusion reported among Welsh drivers as the 20 limit starts to be enforced.

When the 20mph was introduced in London there was some annoyance for sure, but no confusion. I mean, it's a fucking speed limit. What's to get confused about?

Are Welsh drivers more easily confused than English ones?

The signage is seriously screwed up in places. Some places it's where street lamps are 200m apart, some places it isn't. A lot of signs have been defaced and will need renewing. Nothing has been enforced yet and they are even admitting they haven't changed a lot of the cameras yet.

 

[Spymaster]

Bound to be less concern somewhere that the traffic never gets above 12 mph, though.

Not sure where that would be.

But what's all this confusion?

 

[8ball]

Not sure where that would be.

But what's all this confusion?

It's in the South East of England. Follow the smell of piss.

I was in Wales over Xmas and I expect the confusion is between roads where the implementation of the limit is perfectly sensible, and places where it is fucking stupid.
It's hard to tell whether the signage is missing or whether you are just moving from sensible to stupid or vice versa. Especially when lots of people ignore the stupid cases and a subset are also ignoring the sensible ones.

 

[Orang Utan]

Do people not know what a built-up area is?
You don’t even need signs, surely.

 

[Spymaster]

I was in Wales over Xmas and I expect the confusion is between roads where the implementation of the limit is perfectly sensible, and places where it is fucking stupid.
It's hard to tell whether the signage is missing or whether you are just moving from sensible to stupid or vice versa. Especially when lots of people ignore the stupid cases and a subset are also ignoring the sensible ones.

This would be a reasonable argument in London, where the blanket 20 limit means there are far more instances of "fucking stupid" than there are of "perfectly sensible".

But in Wales it's not a blanket, is it? It's just in built-up areas, which are quite easy to recognise by looking out of the window.

 

[8ball]

This would be a reasonable argument in London, where the blanket 20 limit means there are far more instances of "fucking stupid" than there are of "perfectly sensible".

But in Wales it's not a blanket, is it? It's just in built-up areas, which are quite easy to recognise by looking out of the window.

You've been on this board far too long for this stuff to work.

 

[planetgeli]

This would be a reasonable argument in London, where the blanket 20 limit means there are far more instances of "fucking stupid" than there are of "perfectly sensible".

But in Wales it's not a blanket, is it? It's just in built-up areas, which are quite easy to recognise by looking out of the window.

Mate, we're not Newham. Or even St John's Wood. It's all about where the lamp-posts are. And whether they are more, or less, than 183m apart.

Surely you appreciate 'built-up' is not the same thing here.

 

[8ball]

Mate, we're not Newham. Or even St John's Wood. It's all about where the lamp-posts are. And whether they are more, or less, than 183m apart.

Surely you appreciate 'built-up' is not the same thing here.

Don't indulge him.

 

[Spymaster]

It's all about where the lamp-posts are.