A thank you to Brexiteers.

[brogdale]

Until we sort out issues around vulnerable people moving countries I'm not inclined to care much about British people who have this sort of colonialist-informed attitude that they can just go and live wherever they want.

Agree with the sentiment but, tbf, for the vast majority they were merely exercising their freedom to move to and reside wherever they wanted to within the supra state under Article 21 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU (TFEU).

 

[bimble]

Until we sort out issues around vulnerable people moving countries I'm not inclined to care much about British people who have this sort of colonialist-informed attitude that they can just go and live wherever they want.

Is it only the Brits who were moving about with a colonialist-informed attitude or are the Poles living in say Germany or the Spanish working in Italy the same.

 

[muscovyduck]

Is it only the Brits who were moving about with a colonialist-informed attitude or are the Poles living in say Germany or the Spanish working in Italy the same.

We were talking about these people who voted Brexit and are now pissed off they can't live in the EU

 

[bimble]

We were talking about these people who voted Brexit and are now pissed off they can't live in the EU

it is hard to sympathise with those but i think there's very few of them.

 

[Yossarian]

Until we sort out issues around vulnerable people moving countries I'm not inclined to care much about British people who have this sort of colonialist-informed attitude that they can just go and live wherever they want.

Rich British people still can go and live wherever they want, Spain and Portugal were more the affordable options for retired people - kind of like what Florida is in the US, with less meth and alligators.

 

[brogdale]

it is hard to sympathise with those but i think there's very few of them.

Some estimates put the ex-pat Leave support at around 20%.

 

[bimble]

Rich British people still can go and live wherever they want, Spain and Portugal were more the affordable options for retired people - kind of like what Florida is in the US, with less meth and alligators.

Do you mean because rich people's citizenship applications would be accepted by whatever country they choose?

 

[bimble]

Some estimates put the ex-pat Leave support at around 20%.

I dont believe it tbh. People, not even 1 in 5 of them, aren't that silly / selfless.

 

[Yossarian]

Do you mean because rich people's citizenship applications would be accepted by whatever country they choose?

Maybe not full citizenship, but I doubt rich people who own a home in their chosen country and can show officials they have shitloads of money in the bank spend a lot of time worrying about whether their visitor visa will be extended.

 

[Spymaster]

I dont believe it tbh. People, not even 1 in 5 of them, aren't that silly / selfless.

I’m not so sure. Brits living abroad are occasionally the most self entitled people I’ve come across. Not all by any means but the types who’ve been living on the Algarve for over 20 years, don’t speak the language and live in their own expat bubbles, I can well see might vote for Brexit thinking it won’t affect them or maybe even bestow upon them some greater superiority.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Two of my friends returned to the UK last night having been working in Poland for the past three years, she is a senior exec in a leading tech company, he sits in the pub drinking her massive salary. They both voted leave, but when they got to Calais yesterday in a UK car the French border guy was very rude to them telling them that they had been in the EU for more than 90 days this year and they would be in trouble, they then handed the prick their brand new Irish passports and laughed in his face. The cunts. Love them both though.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And Liam, who loves a row said...

 

[Elpenor]

There’s only been 87 days of 2021 so far, the border guy obviously didn’t pass Maths at school

 

[Yossarian]

I’m not so sure. Brits abroad are occasionally the most self entitled people I’ve come across. Not all by any means but the types who’ve been living on the Algarve for over 20 years, don’t speak the language and live in their own expat bubbles, I can well see might vote for Brexit thinking it won’t affect them or maybe even bestow upon them some greater superiority.

Reminds me of the twats in Hong Kong who thought being there for 20 years without having eaten Chinese food was something to boast about and warned me that I'd get slanted eyes if I kept speaking Cantonese.

That particular demographic was probably 100% Remain, tbf - not because of any strong feelings on the EU either way, but because they have a horror of anything that could extend airport wait times.

 

[brogdale]

I dont believe it tbh. People, not even 1 in 5 of them, aren't that silly / selfless.

But that sort of interpretation of UK citizens living abroad presupposes full knowledge of the implications of the decision to leave. Important not to be swayed by what we all now know.

 

[muscovyduck]

Fuck the system the sets working class communities up against each other. The same way you can't really hate someone moving out of London to somewhere nice quiet and affordable up north, you can't really hate the people doing the same across a larger geographical area. My family 'back home' are priced out their local community, renting some really dire houses, working shit jobs, and I'm sat here in the UK knowing because of the difference in economies I could easily use the relatively small amount of money I have here to move back over there and buy myself a very very nice house to live in, and use the privilege of having had a UK education and career to get a very good job there. The locals don't stand a chance.

 

[dessiato]

There was an interview with a Brexit voter at Malaga airport yesterday. In it he said he and his wife were in tears at being forced to leave Spain. They’d lived here for 5 years, but had not become legal residents. Although they had voted Brexit they had never expected that it would come to this, nor that it would affect them.

It is anticipated that 500 Brits will be expected to leave within the next few days now that the 90 day rule applies to them. It is also expected that there will be a number of arrests and deportations soon.

Still some people think that leaving here going to Portugal or France etc then coming back after a few days will get round the 90 days. Unfortunately they are wrong. The 90 days applies to Schengen area. So staying anywhere in it all counts for the allowed period.

”interestingly“ the majority of people complaining are ones who didn’t become legal residents, and many of these seem to be Brexit voters.

 

[bimble]

Two of my friends returned to the UK last night having been working in Poland for the past three years, she is a senior exec in a leading tech company, he sits in the pub drinking her massive salary. They both voted leave, but when they got to Calais yesterday in a UK car the French border guy was very rude to them telling them that they had been in the EU for more than 90 days this year and they would be in trouble, they then handed the prick their brand new Irish passports and laughed in his face. The cunts. Love them both though.

Did knowing that they'd be able to get brand new irish passports influence their vote at all?

 

[A380]

Rich British people still can go and live wherever they want, Spain and Portugal were more the affordable options for retired people - kind of like what Florida is in the US, with less meth and alligators.

You can still live full time in Spain on a UK passport if you have an income around c€2000 a month or €2500 a couple.

I didn’t fancy it though, not enough meth or alligators...

 

[The39thStep]

dessiato and others will know the Spanish process better than me but the Portuguese system pre and post Brexit is simple and easy to do.

I live in Portugal voted Brexit. My residency application was to go to Town Hall, take a ticket at general enquiries, and ask for a five year residency. Documents were a passport, NIF which is the finance number ( easy to get ), address ( which can be anywhere in Portugal, (permanent or temporary) . Took 15 minutes. Earlier this year I applied online for a biometric certificate of residency that makes life easier at airports.

Initial residency is 5 years then you apply for ten years via SEF and then permanent. There is talk about changing the process so after five years the application is for permanent. Residency is not the same as citizenship but you can apply for that after five years and hold dual nationality.

If you were in Portugal before January 31st and hadn't applied you can still apply under that scheme as the Govt says you were here legitimately under previous rules. For those who arrived after Jan 31sts, the procedure is similar after 90 days but the application is to SEF ( Border Control and Immigration) online or by appointment at the local office. Proof of earnings is around the equivalent of the unemployment benefit in either savings, UK income or a job contract here.

There have been extensive social media by the British Embassy on Facebook including videos, Portuguese govt websites including SEF have everything in English and videos to watch. There has also been a joint UK and EU funded campaign to engage with the hard to reach ie very old, those with disabilities and those without internet and transport. Most deadlines have been extended due to the covid restrictions which have impacted on physical applications and appointments and the introduction of online resources and their inevitable teething problems. Can safely say that deportations here are going to be the very very last resort unless someone has been caught up in serious criminal activity.

 

[Yossarian]

Did knowing that they'd be able to get brand new irish passports influence their vote at all?

I am also confused by the meaning of this parable - it seems somewhat anti-EU, but the conflict is resolved by the protagonists producing EU passports.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am also confused by the meaning of this parable - it seems somewhat anti-EU, but the conflict is resolved by the protagonists producing EU passports.

Blessed be the brexit-voting EU passport holders

Amen, amen

 

[gosub]

Did knowing that they'd be able to get brand new irish passports influence their vote at all?

Technically at time of referendum I could have had an Irish or an Australian if I'd have wanted. Divorce was the right move,. and stuck with British.

 

[Pickman's model]

Technically at time of referendum I could have had an Irish or an Australian if I'd have wanted. Divorce was the right move,. and stuck with British.

But not an Irish and an Australian?

 

[Spymaster]

dessiato and others will know the Spanish process better than me but the Portuguese system pre and post Brexit is simple and easy to do.

I live in Portugal voted Brexit. My residency application was to go to Town Hall, take a ticket at general enquiries, and ask for a five year residency. Documents were a passport, NIF which is the finance number ( easy to get ), address ( which can be anywhere in Portugal, (permanent or temporary) . Took 15 minutes. Earlier this year I applied online for a biometric certificate of residency that makes life easier at airports.

Initial residency is 5 years then you apply for ten years via SEF and then permanent. There is talk about changing the process so after five years the application is for permanent. Residency is not the same as citizenship but you can apply for that after five years and hold dual nationality.

If you were in Portugal before January 31st and hadn't applied you can still apply under that scheme as the Govt says you were here legitimately under previous rules. For those who arrived after Jan 31sts, the procedure is similar after 90 days but the application is to SEF ( Border Control and Immigration) online or by appointment at the local office. Proof of earnings is around the equivalent of the unemployment benefit in either savings, UK income or a job contract here.

There have been extensive social media by the British Embassy on Facebook including videos, Portuguese govt websites including SEF have everything in English and videos to watch. There has also been a joint UK and EU funded campaign to engage with the hard to reach ie very old, those with disabilities and those without internet and transport. Most deadlines have been extended due to the covid restrictions which have impacted on physical applications and appointments and the introduction of online resources and their inevitable teething problems. Can safely say that deportations here are going to be the very very last resort unless someone has been caught up in serious criminal activity.

Any idea what's happening in the cases of these Brits who are saying they've applied and been refused residency?

 

[two sheds]

I’m not so sure. Brits living abroad are occasionally the most self entitled people I’ve come across. Not all by any means but the types who’ve been living on the Algarve for over 20 years, don’t speak the language and live in their own expat bubbles, I can well see might vote for Brexit thinking it won’t affect them or maybe even bestow upon them some greater superiority.

Yep I saw similar in the Netherlands. One in five could be right - at first I thought that might be a bit low but they were perhaps the more vocal ones. I know a lot who I'm sure voted remain because they believe in the Europe 'project'. I would have done myself 40 years ago when I lived there.

 

[gosub]

But not an Irish and an Australian?

Said Irish Australian ex IS still living in the UK. In a parallel universe, if things had worked out differently If I'd taken one or it had ended up factoring in our lives in an alternative, she'd have never let me forget.

 

[dessiato]

Any idea what's happening in the cases of these Brits who are saying they've applied and been refused residency?

They can appeal.

 

[Doppelgänger]

Technically at time of referendum I could have had an Irish or an Australian if I'd have wanted. Divorce was the right move,. and stuck with British.

Your other half at the time was Irish? Not sure that's enough for you to qualify for a passport.

How would it have worked?

 

[The39thStep]

Any idea what's happening in the cases of these Brits who are saying they've applied and been refused residency?

Can't speak for the Spanish system but with civic buildings being closed due to covid here it has meant that applications are dealt with online. Obviously involves loading up pdfs of documents which some people might have found very difficult and sent photos or jpegs instead or may not have had all of the documents. Might not have had the technology to do so. There's an argument albeit a tentative one that all Brexit has done is to make people do the things they should have done pre Brexit. It could also be argued that the cash in hand economy means that there is no proof of earnings ( this would apply to EU nationals working in the UK as well as UK nationals working in the EU). Must be an appeal process.