A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Did knowing that they'd be able to get brand new irish passports influence their vote at all?

Probably, like I said, they are cunts, but nice cunts all the same.

 

[Spymaster]

They can appeal.

But on what grounds were they rejected in the first place?

 

[TopCat]

But on what grounds were they rejected in the first place?

Probably inability to prove income.

 

[TopCat]

Anecdotally the Spanish have taken a dim view of Brits now asserting large incomes but admitting previously never paid taxes anywhere.

 

[dessiato]

dessiato and others will know the Spanish process better than me but the Portuguese system pre and post Brexit is simple and easy to do.

I live in Portugal voted Brexit. My residency application was to go to Town Hall, take a ticket at general enquiries, and ask for a five year residency. Documents were a passport, NIF which is the finance number ( easy to get ), address ( which can be anywhere in Portugal, (permanent or temporary) . Took 15 minutes. Earlier this year I applied online for a biometric certificate of residency that makes life easier at airports.

Initial residency is 5 years then you apply for ten years via SEF and then permanent. There is talk about changing the process so after five years the application is for permanent. Residency is not the same as citizenship but you can apply for that after five years and hold dual nationality.

If you were in Portugal before January 31st and hadn't applied you can still apply under that scheme as the Govt says you were here legitimately under previous rules. For those who arrived after Jan 31sts, the procedure is similar after 90 days but the application is to SEF ( Border Control and Immigration) online or by appointment at the local office. Proof of earnings is around the equivalent of the unemployment benefit in either savings, UK income or a job contract here.

There have been extensive social media by the British Embassy on Facebook including videos, Portuguese govt websites including SEF have everything in English and videos to watch. There has also been a joint UK and EU funded campaign to engage with the hard to reach ie very old, those with disabilities and those without internet and transport. Most deadlines have been extended due to the covid restrictions which have impacted on physical applications and appointments and the introduction of online resources and their inevitable teething problems. Can safely say that deportations here are going to be the very very last resort unless someone has been caught up in serious criminal activity.

We've always been legal.

The green card NIE, equivalent to Portuguese NIF, now must be changed to a TIE card. To do this you need to make an appointment with the local office dealing with this. In some areas a police station, in others the foreigners office.

Then you must have your padrón proving your address. This must be less than 3 months old. We were on the padrón but still needed to renew it for TIE because it was almost 12 months old. Then passport photos, passport and green card.

At the office all this is presented and checked. Fingerprints are taken. Then you wait.

When your Lote number comes up you make another appointment where they take your fingerprints again and give you your card.

However, in Córdoba they gave us our collection date and time before we left after the first appointment. This is rare.

We were already permanent, legal residents which made it very easy and quick.

 

[dessiato]

But on what grounds were they rejected in the first place?

I don't know. It would be interesting to find out. Many being refused seem to be on the Costa

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I am also confused by the meaning of this parable - it seems somewhat anti-EU, but the conflict is resolved by the protagonists producing EU passports.

Not really a parable other than the EU is coming down heavy on British folk overstaying the 90 days. And that Anna & Liam are cunts. Back in time for the pubs to open at the end of their quarantine, leaving Poland with massive rising Covid rates...

 

[bimble]

Some 400,000 EU people stuck in the backlog here waiting to find out of it they have been awarded the right to stay, sounds like our system isn't working that brilliantly.

 

[Spymaster]

Not really a parable other than the EU is coming down heavy on British folk overstaying the 90 days. And that Anna & Liam are cunts. Back in time for the pubs to open at the end of their quarantine, leaving Poland with massive rising Covid rates...

I reckon they sound pretty switched-on.

 

[gosub]

Your other half at the time was Irish? Not sure that's enough for you to qualify for a passport.

How would it have worked?

It would of. for reasons
As part of an old job I set what I think is a record facilitating a 2 year Schegen for a 3rd state national. Anyone ever get close?

 

[Spymaster]

Anecdotally the Spanish have taken a dim view of Brits now asserting large incomes but admitting previously never paid taxes anywhere.

Helping the Spanish catch tax cheats.

#benefitsofbrexit

 

[dessiato]

A lot of Brits here have left it to the last minute and are now finding there's no appointments. The 90 days ends on 31 March. To stay they must have confirmed appointments for TIE. And many areas have no appointments available.

I think part of the reason for the panic is that the UK government was telling us we needed to do nothing. Which, of course, wasn't true.

 

[The39thStep]

A lot of Brits here have left it to the last minute and are now finding there's no appointments. The 90 days ends on 31 March. To stay they must have confirmed appointments for TIE. And many areas have no appointments available.

I think part of the reason for the panic is that the UK government was telling us we needed to do nothing. Which, of course, wasn't true.

Glad you mentioned that as I found an article written 4 days ago on an English Spanish site which doesn't seem to have the same urgency as the article going around on the internet tbh

BREXIT: When is the deadline for Brits to apply for residency in Spain?

Until when do Britons who were living in Spain before 2021 have to apply to become residents? The UK Embassy told The Local what the law states.

www.thelocal.es

 

[muscovyduck]

I think part of the reason for the panic is that the UK government was telling us we needed to do nothing. Which, of course, wasn't true.

In the UK we were getting so many adverts telling us if we were self employed had businesses etc we had to get ready for brexit, the gov knew people needed to do stuff. Absolute fuckers

 

[xenon]

I dont believe it tbh. People, not even 1 in 5 of them, aren't that silly / selfless.

Oh Bimble.


I listen to too much phone in radio which yeah, self selecting but there were plenty of *brexit nutter xpats.


*not all brexit voters = nutters.

 

[teqniq]

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

My dad had to sort U.K. residency out for my step-mum who’s Dutch, took about 30 minutes to send off the documents and got confirmation about 10 days later. Felt odd after her having lived here, paying taxes for more than 30 years.

 

[The39thStep]

Agree with the sentiment but, tbf, for the vast majority they were merely exercising their freedom to move to and reside wherever they wanted to within the supra state under Article 21 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the EU (TFEU).

Take away the popular stereotyping and it's a post Brexit migrant issue tbh.

 

[A380]

Can't speak for the Spanish system but with civic buildings being closed due to covid here it has meant that applications are dealt with online. Obviously involves loading up pdfs of documents which some people might have found very difficult and sent photos or jpegs instead or may not have had all of the documents. Might not have had the technology to do so. There's an argument albeit a tentative one that all Brexit has done is to make people do the things they should have done pre Brexit. It could also be argued that the cash in hand economy means that there is no proof of earnings ( this would apply to EU nationals working in the UK as well as UK nationals working in the EU). Must be an appeal process.

If you get Portuguese residency does that mean you can stay fir longer than 90 days anywhere in the EU, I presume once you are inside the Shengan area there is no way of checking anyway?

 

[The39thStep]

If you get Portuguese residency does that mean you can stay fir longer than 90 days anywhere in the EU, I presume once you are inside the Shengan area there is no way of checking anyway?

Yes, I think so, although there may be different residency rules in the country you go to that give or have fewer benefits. If you have residency than you can apply for an EU EHIC type card that gives you access to other EU state's health services.

 

[dessiato]

Glad you mentioned that as I found an article written 4 days ago on an English Spanish site which doesn't seem to have the same urgency as the article going around on the internet tbh

BREXIT: When is the deadline for Brits to apply for residency in Spain?

Until when do Britons who were living in Spain before 2021 have to apply to become residents? The UK Embassy told The Local what the law states.

www.thelocal.es

I don’t trust that paper. It is often a little bit economical with facts.

 

[Doppelgänger]

It would of. for reasons
As part of an old job I set what I think is a record facilitating a 2 year Schegen for a 3rd state national. Anyone ever get close?

Still don't see how unless you lived in Ireland at the time...

 

[dessiato]

If you get Portuguese residency does that mean you can stay fir longer than 90 days anywhere in the EU, I presume once you are inside the Shengan area there is no way of checking anyway?

Yes, I think so, although there may be different residency rules in the country you go to that give or have fewer benefits. If you have residency than you can apply for an EU EHIC type card that gives you access to other EU state's health services.

My understanding is that you can’t stay for longer except in the country where you hold permanent residency. But whether they can easily check is another matter.

I believe that now you get a stamp in your passport when you arrive, this is then checked on exit. And thus, you are fucked. Deported, fined, and banned from Schengen area.

 

[A380]

My understanding is that you can’t stay for longer except in the country where you hold permanent residency. But whether they can easily check is another matter.

I believe that now you get a stamp in your passport when you arrive, this is then checked on exit. And thus, you are fucked. Deported, fined, and banned from Schengen area.

But if you start from Portugal by car or train you don’t have to show your passport across (almost) all of the EU so where would you get the stamp? Thanks

 

[The39thStep]

My understanding is that you can’t stay for longer except in the country where you hold permanent residency. But whether they can easily check is another matter.

I believe that now you get a stamp in your passport when you arrive, this is then checked on exit. And thus, you are fucked. Deported, fined, and banned from Schengen area.

Passports don't need to be stamped if you can show your residency, I have seen some stories about it being done in some EU states but the UK embassy advice here is that it shouldn't be done. Last time I flew was November last year so I can't test it out.

Presumably, you can apply for residency in the other country? Hypothetical for me tbh but I know it's not for you.

 

[dessiato]

This from another news site, not one I’d especially recommend, but there’s others quoting similar Brits.

Another returning at Malaga airport today was Shaun Cromber who despite voting for Britain to leave the EU, didn’t believe it would end his Spanish lifestyle, he said: ” Yes I voted out, but I didn’t realise it would come to this, my application has been rejected and we are on our way home – the wife is in tears, she’s distraught if I’m honest and I’m not too happy at the prospect of returning back to the UK.

“I’ve loved living on the Costa del Sol and after 5 years can’t believe it has come to this, we applied but got rejected and so have no choice, although long term I think the Spanish will regret chucking us out of Spain”

The deadline now is only 4 days away and it’s certainly going to be interesting to see what happens when the British become illegal immigrants in Spain.

He‘s had FIVE years to become legal, and plenty of time to get residency. After 5 years he could have got permanent residency.

 

[The39thStep]

This from another news site, not one I’d especially recommend, but there’s others quoting similar Brits.



He‘s had FIVE years to become legal, and plenty of time to get residency. After 5 years he could have got permanent residency.

Something doesn't smell right tbh

 

[TopCat]

What’s happening to Costa property prices?

 

[two sheds]

And does this mean we get all the crims back from the south coast there?

 

[ska invita]

What’s happening to Costa property prices?

falling and forecast to fall further