A thank you to Brexiteers.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

A simple google on ‘British ‘ brands , untilities and a number of landmark assets gives a frightening indication of foreign ownership in the U.K. decades before Brexit or this government.

Apparently that is embarrassing. Not quite sure what mindset you need to give a flying fuck, let alone feel actual embarrassment over such a thing.

 

[8ball]

Apparently that is embarrassing. Not quite sure what mindset you need to give a flying fuck, let alone feel actual embarrassment over such a thing.

Well for one thing it says something about how much "control" there was to take back.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

the amount of tax they pay for example

Zero times anything is zero, so doesn't really matter. The idea that Nissan is a Japanese company and therefore the Sunderland plant causes embarrassment is just weird.

 

[brogdale]

the amount of tax they pay for example

Probably not much, tbh, but it does determine which jurisdiction receives the tiny sums that the corporations can't evade/dodge/avoid.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Well for one thing it says something about how much "control" there was to take back.

It shows global thinking.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Meanwhile in the frictionless trade paradise of France where farmers can work, study and visit 27 different countries

Farmers are universally shafted it’s just the French ones riot.

 

[Pickman's model]

Zero times anything is zero, so doesn't really matter. The idea that Nissan is a Japanese company and therefore the Sunderland plant causes embarrassment is just weird.

so much about contemporary britain causes embarrassment, i wouldn't have had the sunderland plant in my top 40 myself.

 

[8ball]

It shows global thinking.

It shows the desire to avoid tax and the degree of relevance our Government(s) attach to that.

 

[Artaxerxes]

A simple google on ‘British ‘ brands , untilities and a number of landmark assets gives a frightening indication of foreign ownership in the U.K. decades before Brexit or this government.

Yes but Brexit is about Taking Back Control from forrins.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yes but Brexit is about Taking Back Control from forrins.

In the minds of morons, yes.

 

[TopCat]

Farmers are universally shafted it’s just the French ones riot.

Loads of UK farmers and landowners got fortunes in set aside payments from the EU. Something I am glad has ended post brexit.

 

[ddraig]

Farmers are universally shafted it’s just the French ones riot.

They just love to moan a lot and get subsidies, too wet, too dry, produced to much, produced too little blah blah

 

[Raheem]

Lol. Point out that another nation or the EU has got something right and it’s credit where it’s due. Do the same with the U.K. and it’s Land of Hope and Glory flag waving!

Come off it, this is a jingoistic caricature:

The entire UK procurement strategy with AstraZeneca has been professionally managed and invested in, with contracts locked-down in English law; whilst the EU's has been half-arsed, unprofessional, and contracted in wishy-washy Belgian law.

Whatever may or may not have gone on, it's not to do with EU civil servants turning up to work unshaven, and still less about the superiority of the English legal tradition.

It's pretty obvious that the UK has out-smarted/out-arseholed (it's as broad as long) the EU wrt to AZ procurement. There's no need to recount that. Probably annoying and embarrassing for EU, but it's also a storm in a teacup, because there's neither the UK or the EU are likely to run into a shortage of the vaccine at any point (the difference for EU countries is slower distribution, not supply).

No-one ought to be banning vaccine exports, and for the EU to be talking about it is unnecessary and a (possibly deliberate) distraction.

However, to be crowing about the predictable wickedness and incompetence of the EU's proposed ban on the one hand while, on the other, celebrating the genius of the UK doing it first (which it did - the fact that exports may be allowed a some distant point in the future doesn't make it not a ban) is ridiculous, and it most definitely is buying into a flag-waving narrative.

 

[Pickman's model]

Come off it, this is a jingoistic caricature:



Whatever may or may not have gone on, it's not to do with EU civil servants turning up to work unshaven, and still less about the superiority of the English legal tradition.

It's pretty obvious that the UK has out-smarted/out-arseholed (it's as broad as long) the EU wet to AZ procurement. There's no need to recount that. Probably annoying and embarrassing for EU, but it's also a storm in a teacup, because there's neither the UK or the EU are likely to run into a shortage of the vaccine at any point (the difference for EU countries is slower distribution, not supply).

No-one ought to be banning vaccine exports, and for the EU to be talking about it is unnecessary and a (possibly deliberate) distraction.

However, to be crowing about the predictable wickedness and incompetence of the EU's proposed ban on the one hand while, on the other, celebrating the genius of the UK doing it first (which it did - the fact that exports may be allowed a some distant point in the future doesn't make it not a ban) is ridiculous, and it most definitely is buying into a flag-waving narrative.

the idea of Spymaster climbing into bed with boris johnson is a mental image no one desires

 

[editor]

In the minds of morons, yes.

Taking Back Control was one of the key mantras from the pre-Brexit campaigners, so are you saying that they're morons?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Taking Back Control was one of the key mantras from the pre-Brexit campaigners, so are you saying that they're morons?

My understanding is that ‘Take back control’ related to a trading bloc and set of economic arrangements and political treaties and not a country or people.

 

[Spymaster]

However, to be crowing about the predictable wickedness and incompetence of the EU's proposed ban on the one hand while, on the other, celebrating the genius of the UK doing it first (which it did - the fact that exports may be allowed a some distant point in the future doesn't make it not a ban) is ridiculous, and it most definitely is buying into a flag-waving narrative.

Sorry but this is just absolute nonsense as already explained in detail. You'll get a few likes from others who are similarly stranded though

Ask yourself this; what is your motivation in insisting on calling the contractual commitment an export ban? Why are you so keen to characterize it as such?

No need to answer really

 

[Artaxerxes]

In the minds of morons, yes.

That was explicit in the marketing and to say otherwise is rewriting history.

I don’t ever deny there were legit reasons for voting leave but when your marketing is set on blaming immigrants, the Eu and has Take Back Control as a key marketing pledge a pattern emerges.

Loads of UK farmers and landowners got fortunes in set aside payments from the EU. Something I am glad has ended post brexit.

Yes but plenty of poorer farmers exist. We shall see what happens with the subsidys

 

[cupid_stunt]

the idea of Spymaster climbing into bed with boris johnson is a mental image no one desires

Well, thanks for planting that image in my head.

 

[Pickman's model]

Loads of UK farmers and landowners got fortunes in set aside payments from the EU. Something I am glad has ended post brexit.

we are not post brexit. it will be ongoing for years and years

 

[TopCat]

That was explicit in the marketing and to say otherwise is rewriting history.

I don’t ever deny there were legit reasons for voting leave but when your marketing is set on blaming immigrants, the Eu and has Take Back Control as a key marketing pledge a pattern emerges.



Yes but plenty of poorer farmers exist. We shall see what happens with the subsidys

You claimed farmers are universally shafted. It’s not the case.

 

[brogdale]

My understanding is that ‘Take back control’ related to a trading bloc and set of economic arrangements and political treaties and not a country or people.

I think that, since the referendum, the accepted mantra from the right party of capital has been Britain would take back full control of our money, our borders and our laws.

 

[gosub]

Sure, even Nigel patron saint of leave was astonished that night.

Or wasn't and is guilty of currency manipulation

 

[Pickman's model]

My understanding is that ‘Take back control’ related to a trading bloc and set of economic arrangements and political treaties and not a country or people.

what is a country or its people if not its relationship to other countries and peoples?

 

[gosub]

I think that, since the referendum, the accepted mantra from the right party of capital has been Britain would take back full control of our money, our borders and our laws.

Could have sworn it was "Fuck Business"

 

[Artaxerxes]

You claimed farmers are universally shafted. It’s not the case.

It depends how we define farmers. Prince Charles owns farms but he’s not a farmer. Same for so many of the larger landowners.


They like to pretend to be horny handed sons of the soil but it’s the tenants on their land doing the work. Meanwhile the supermarkets are busy fucking over smaller farmers and paying peanuts

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I think that, since the referendum, the accepted mantra from the right party of capital has been Britain would take back full control of our money, our borders and our laws.

Editor was raising the slogan of the ‘pre-Brexit’ campaigners

 

[Smokeandsteam]

we are not post brexit. it will be ongoing for years and years

On Urban it’ll be ongoing forever

 

[brogdale]

Editor was raising the slogan of the ‘pre-Brexit’ campaigners

Oh, that?
Well that was deliberately unspecific, wasn't it?
The genius of the marketing...allowing punters to perceive whatever they wanted.

 

[brogdale]

On Urban it’ll be ongoing forever

A bit like the ravens at the Tower...if the threads ever leave....