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911: What makes you suspicious - now with added extra poll option!

What makes you most suspicious about the official 911 story?

  • Lack of air defence response

    Votes: 10 8.6%
  • Building 7 collapse

    Votes: 7 6.0%
  • Pentagon hole

    Votes: 6 5.2%
  • Bush response

    Votes: 5 4.3%
  • Insider trading

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • FBI / CIA coverup

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Demolition-like collapse of WTC 1 & 2

    Votes: 8 6.9%
  • Gut instinct

    Votes: 11 9.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 11 9.5%
  • The official theory sure is a lot more believable than the bonkers conspiraloon stuff

    Votes: 46 39.7%

  • Total voters
    116
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After all the claims and counter-claims I believe the biggest flaw in all of the conspiracy theories is that the conspiracies would have to be so large. People, by their nature, tend to brag. The fact that no believeable stories have surfaced on how 'so and so was involved in 9-11' given the size of the conspiracy required, across such a wide breadth of society, suggests that the portraryed scenario was correct.

That does not excuse the foul-ups and complacency, especially in intelligence gathering and NORADs responses and capabilities. But, like every other incident, the things that should have been acted on and the actions that should have been taken are perfectly clear in hindsight.

By the way - what's the record for a thread length on Urban?
 
Once, Jazzz was once known as the Doctor.

Only, after advising people not to take vaccines, particularly the MMR vaccine, (he even advised his sister not to take her kids to get the MMR jab, over which they fell out) and his subsequent anti-vaccine crusade backed up by evidence provided by websites linking to anti-semitic holocaust denying white supremacists - he was forced to drop the Dr. title, and now he remains, plain old boring Jazzz.

And no amount of reporting posts or whining to the editor about abusive language, or moaning about preferential treatment, or trying to make people believe in David Icke, or denying that he is promoting anti-semitic conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 attacks will change the simple fact that Jazzz has never ONCE proved to anyone's satisfaction any of his little fairytales.

So deep is his frustration at being routinely ridiculed, he resorts to making up a rather disappointingly unfunny story about "how pk smells of wee".

Anytime you want to try and prove that Huntley Is Innocent, or any other of Joe "maggots in the eyes" Vialls little stories - go right ahead, Jazzz.

Not once have you stuck your hand up and admitted you were talking shit, even after dozens of your little tales have been proven bullshit from start to finish.

Even trotted to Birmingham to try and prove that the London tube attacks were carried out by mystery men, and insisting that the press followed it up - only to provide some piece of paper written in Urdu as supposed proof, didn't you Jazzz?

Funny, in a sad, obsessive way.

But for a Jewish kid to be propagating Holocaust denial propaganda - well, only a complete cunt would do that, no matter what religion their grandmother is supposed to have practiced... and I'm not about to sit here and watch this site fall prey to your conspiranoid crap and you know it.

And I smell better than you, kid, better than you ever will...
 
Hilarious how the only one patting you on the back for that nonsense is the notoriously cuntish laughing stock shit-whip known as Flimsier... at least Tobyjug has a sense of humour... though if he thinks that was your best ever post I'd hardly take that as a compliment...

This is now like one of those really dull sci-fi movies for kids... Revenge of the Nerds ... only instead of the Revenge, it's just like a random flailing of your arms whilst I hold your face at arms length, laughing.

:D
 
MikeMcc said:
By the way - what's the record for a thread length on Urban?
Some way to go yet, I'm afraid... this is pretty fair for a 9-11 thread, though ;)
 
Jazzz said:
Some way to go yet, I'm afraid... this is pretty fair for a 9-11 thread, though
So., what was the conclusion of your Birmingham 'investigation' and will you finally explain - in detail - your new theory about Flight 93, please?
 
Donna Ferentes said:
That's got not anything at all to do with what I said. The point is that the Truth Seekers are never able to come up with anything even remotely resembling an account of what they think actually happened. Who did what and when, having been instructed to do so by whom. That sort of thing.

Capital letters for the truth seekers eh? Interesting sub-conscious rhetorical device. Part, of course, of an attempted program of ridiculing the messenger and ignoring the message. Politics instead of debate.

But in any case people looking for the truth would be most unlikely to already have it, otherwise why would they be looking for it?

Whereas those that know already have no need to keep their minds open.

And anyway, your post stinks of the american way of closing their minds: if you can't offer an alternative version, then you cannot attack any other version.
 
editor said:
Hold on.

You are aware that a host of posters think that you've been given some kind of extraordinary licence here because of your disruptive, evasive, troll-like conduct?

Why only last week at least two posters were asking why on earth you hadn't been banned yet.

Jazzz is a gentleman, pk is a loudmouth verbally violent and impolite pig intent on doing his best to ridicule people. But like all attempted bullies, he is the victim, not those he chooses to denigrate.

No contest. Ban pk and keep jazzz ;)

Or, to use language that pk understands better, permanently eliminate him from the boards. At least it'll be a nicer place.

Heh heh, only joking pk. You stick around, room for all of us. Anyway, what i think has got fuck all to do with anything. But you're still a violent bastard on this website towards all manner of posters. I'd recommend a course in anger-aversion therapy. You'll enjoy life all the more mate.
 
MikeMcc said:
After all the claims and counter-claims I believe the biggest flaw in all of the conspiracy theories is that the conspiracies would have to be so large. People, by their nature, tend to brag. The fact that no believeable stories have surfaced on how 'so and so was involved in 9-11' given the size of the conspiracy required, across such a wide breadth of society, suggests that the portraryed scenario was correct.

Well, this is what keeps nagging away at me. But two arguments that might counter these sentiments are that if bragging means you think you'll cop it with your life, then maybe you won't brag.

And secondly i'm really not sure the 'conspiracy' (if that is what it is) would need to be that large. The CIA have a vast and intricate web all over the world, and no doubt all manner of double agents, and locals appearing to be this or that, but in fact working for the CIA.

I admit that gross negligence is always a real possibility for americans, but when one analyses all the intelligence that was made available to them from outside their own sources, then it really becomes hard to accept that they could be so massively negligent.

Anyway mike, we saw in the aftermath of the attacks how well the american press became muzzled (i should say, muzzled themselves), especially after bush's you're with us or you're not. And we all know this is the society where mcarthyism flourished. Maybe for someone to speak out in five years is too short a time? Such a traumatic experience for the american public may need a longer time before they're ready to face up to a more homegrown criminal...
 
fela fan said:
Capital letters for the truth seekers eh? Interesting sub-conscious rhetorical device. Part, of course, of an attempted program of ridiculing the messenger and ignoring the message. Politics instead of debate.

But in any case people looking for the truth would be most unlikely to already have it, otherwise why would they be looking for it?

Whereas those that know already have no need to keep their minds open.

And anyway, your post stinks of the american way of closing their minds: if you can't offer an alternative version, then you cannot attack any other version.

What exactly are you dribbling on about here? :confused:
 
fela fan said:
Capital letters for the truth seekers eh? Interesting sub-conscious rhetorical device. Part, of course, of an attempted program of ridiculing the messenger and ignoring the message. Politics instead of debate.

But in any case people looking for the truth would be most unlikely to already have it, otherwise why would they be looking for it?

Whereas those that know already have no need to keep their minds open.

And anyway, your post stinks of the american way of closing their minds: if you can't offer an alternative version, then you cannot attack any other version.
100% pompous drivel.
 
fela fan said:
pk is a loudmouth verbally violent and impolite pig intent on doing his best to ridicule people.

Do you not think Jazzz ridicules himself with his made-up tales of holograms and psyops impersonators of relatives of 9/11 plane passengers, and missile pods, running off to Birmingham pretending to be a journalist and returning with Fuck All by way of proof that 7/7 attacks in London were carried out by governments agents?

All this I could dismiss as just the ramblings of a lunatic, but two things I find offensive:

1/ His insistance on relying on websites known for their dark agenda of holocaust denial to back up his stories.

2/ His ridiculous idea that the MMR jab is more dangerous to toddlers than not vaccinating them at all. As a father of a toddler and having to make this difficult decision had I not been aware of Jazzz's pathetic track record in gullibility and spreading clearly false propaganda would have been more traumatic... to see him trying to talk another parent out of giving their child the MMR, as well as his own sister, this goes beyond ridicule and into the realm of criminal culpability.

Not that I'm going to go running to the police, mind.

That's Jazzz's last resort, it now seems - like I give a fuck.

Holocaust denial is a crime in Austria, and worthy of investigation here... I might even attend the next 9/11 Truth Movement meeting armed with recording equipment... in the meantime ridiculing Jazzz is like shooting large fish in a small barrel.
 
fela fan said:
Capital letters for the truth seekers eh? Interesting sub-conscious rhetorical device.
No, it was entirely conscious.

fela fan said:
Part, of course, of an attempted program of ridiculing the messenger and ignoring the message. Politics instead of debate.
What message? What debate?

fela fan said:
And anyway, your post stinks of the american way of closing their minds: if you can't offer an alternative version, then you cannot attack any other version.
I have read this sentence several times and am still at a loss as to what it's supposed to mean....
 
pk said:
All this I could dismiss as just the ramblings of a lunatic, but two things I find offensive:

I like reading jazzz on this website.

I have a go at you, but to be honest life is too short to get het up about it. I just feel for your own sake you'd be better off being less angry/violent.

But like i keep saying, i'm a nobody. We all are. I just think people are too serious in britain.

And since you've got a kid, even more reason to be light-hearted about things.

Who gives a fuck. How and why do you get so offended by the postings of someone here?? It's beyond me man.
 
pk said:
Just a shit-stirrer, ain't ya Fela?

No more no less...

Probably got it in a nutshell mate... i really don't know at this moment in time.

But actually, no, all i do is call what i think is wrong or right.
 
Donna Ferentes said:
No, it was entirely conscious.

What message? What debate?

I have read this sentence several times and am still at a loss as to what it's supposed to mean....

Well, stay at a loss then, coz i really ain't gonna be bothered explaining it. It's really quite simple, and if you've got problems with the english language then sort yourself out eh.
 
fela fan said:
Well, stay at a loss then, coz i really ain't gonna be bothered explaining it. It's really quite simple, and if you've got problems with the english language then sort yourself out eh.
My command of English is really more than adequate, as it goes: it was the logic that defeated me.
 
fela fan said:
I like reading jazzz on this website.

I have a go at you, but to be honest life is too short to get het up about it. I just feel for your own sake you'd be better off being less angry/violent.

I'm not het-up or violent... that's your flawed interpretation.
 
Donna Ferentes said:
My command of English is really more than adequate, as it goes: it was the logic that defeated me.

My logic has had 15 years of eastern and buddhist influence, so excuse me if i'm off target.

And also excuse me if i came across antagonistic like. I take it back.
 
fela fan said:
Good to see you recognising things for what they are for once...
Once again, your comment is utterly meaningless.

Can't you keep your bullshit bon mots to yourself please?
 
editor said:
How could 'logic' be influenced by Buddhism?

Coz buddhism represents eastern thought. Logic is not really influenced at all by buddhism.

And western logic is not really anything to do with that.
 
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