TAE said:
What you mean like the highly scientific explanation offered by Mike
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4074755&postcount=743
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What you mean like the highly scientific explanation offered by Mike
http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=4074755&postcount=743
Donna Ferentes
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The thing about straw men is, they're still rather more substantial than anything the (snicker) "truth movement" has ever come up with. Invisible men, more like.
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
I was going to illustrate that post with a picture of an invisible man and then I thought "hang on"...
http://reopen911.org/tourdates.htm
Regarding numbers you will have to take my word for it or the word of other people who were there. This was posted at the time
Regarding numbers you will have to take my word for it or the word of other people who were there. This was posted at the time
pk
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sparticus said:
I support the need to clear up one or two points I find disturbing - that doesn't mean I'm about to join your little "truth movement"... especially not if you are prepared to tolerate anti-semitic propaganda.
Except you - you make excuses right here on this thread for Jazzz's repeated links to anti-semitic holocaust denying websites.
Sparticus said:
Which you know is a lie, because I've already said he's been challenged on it many times in the past 4 years or so.
Sparticus said:
How can you be so sure? After all - he's single-handedly destroyed any hope of a "truth movement" emerging on this site, for starters.
If I were to say "sure FEMA were sloppy in their destroying vital evidence relating to the collapse of the Trade Center, but I'm sure their hearts are in the right place" you'd go apeshit.
And you wonder why you can only muster 4 people to attend one of your screenings.
If you're the best that the "truth movement" can offer then it's no wonder people just prefer going along with the US Govt. version.
pk said:
As I said (and you should know) there has been criticism from within the 9/11 movement of those sites that are seen to promote anti-semitism, hatred/violence or disinformation. I am certainly not on the same side as the neo-nazis, whether they are found in the 9/11 truth movement or the white house
Personally I believe in non-violent tactics and social justice. Does that mean that in working for social justice, I should spend my time picking a fight with groups that are also fighting for social justice but who also like a ruck with the police rather than focussing on the people and systems that are causing the injustice in the first place
pk
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sparticus said:
You're creating a straw man.
If I supported a social justice movement that was being tainted by accusations of holocaust denial, then I would act - motivate people to attack websites, discredit sites publically, create a blacklist of people and sites known to be neo-nazi sympathising.
The people and systems causing social injustice are those who turn a blind eye to it.
Donna Ferentes
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I'm saying I've never seen so much as a sliver of an answer to said questions. Which suggests to me that the questions are empty ones.sparticus said:
pk said:
It's not my movement, geddit
pk said:
I'm not
pk said:
I can only say that I doubt Jazz deliberately links to the sites he does because he is anti-semitic. If he is, I don't support those views in way, shape or form. But if he wants to promote anti-semtism, let him start a thread on the subject I will challenge him. That said I repeat that I sincerely doubt Jazz is anti-semitic and that anti-semitism is an easy label to toss about and IMO there needs to be a clear distinction between sites that criticise the Israeli government (not anti-semitism) and those that call for the extermination of Jews, etc.
pk said:
To compare the questions as to whether or not Jazz is anti-semitic or not (or even the role of anti-semitic groups in the 9/11 truth movement) with whether FEMA deliberately destroyed evidence to cover-up the true identity of the murderers of 3000 people is to give the views of Jazz far more importance than they deserve.
pk said:
I don't wonder at all. Bad publicity explained my first failure. Better publicity explains the relative success of Jimmy's tour or the screening I held at Project 142
pk said:
I'm far from the best. IMO there are lots of strong speakers supporting a further inquiry in terms of presenting the evidence professionally. David Ray Griifin, Michael Meacher, Sibel Edmonds, etc.... This is what frustrates me about discussing 9/11 here. Those people who prefer to go along with the USG version, pretend that there are no prominent and eloquent speakers or writers challenging the USG version (there are), that all the evidence is only to be found on dodgy internet sites and not gleaned from mainstream TV and newspaper reports such as these http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html and that given all the evidence presented by these writers and reported in the mainstream media, that there isn't anything a teensy wee bit suspicious that the mainstream media refuses to address the questions raised.
pk
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editor said:
And it actually links to whatreallyhappened.com !!!!
http://reopen911.org/links.htm
Fucking load of old shite.
"truth movement" my arse.
More in common with the Hitler Youth Movement.
Donna Ferentes said:
Yeah and you clearly know lots.
If you had followed the Kean Investigation and the demands of family groups, you would know the vast majority of the questions were not addressed by the commission
http://www.oilempire.us/911families.html
NB Linking to this site does not imply endorsement of ALL of the views expressed here or the sites linked to it. Just as I don't endorse all the content and links to be found at www.reopen911.org
pk
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sparticus said:
Why don't you just have done with it and link to Stormfront... I'm sure there's something in there to suggest that it was the Jews what done it...... or that the Holocaust never happened, right...
The Truth Movement is a fucking joke.
Do you know who is actually behind reopen911.org???
Jimmy Walden?
Jimmy "Bonkers Cunt" Walden said:
http://www.walden3.org/index.htm
pk said:
No that would be Bush and the neo-cons.
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
Perhaps you would like Webster's other book: 9/11 synthetic terror
http://www.tarpley.net/welcome.html
I repeat "Just as I don't endorse all the content and links to be found at www.reopen911.org". Don't now, didn't at the time.
What do you want me to say? I don't support nazis or fascists of any kind. There are a bunch of nazis in power in the white house. They probably murdered 3000 people on 9/11 just as they have murdered 100 000 plus since then in an illegal war
Personally I focus on the nazis with power whilst warning people of the dodgy views of some 9/11 campaigners.
What do you want me to say? I don't support nazis or fascists of any kind. There are a bunch of nazis in power in the white house. They probably murdered 3000 people on 9/11 just as they have murdered 100 000 plus since then in an illegal war
Personally I focus on the nazis with power whilst warning people of the dodgy views of some 9/11 campaigners.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
sparticus said:
Except of course - you have never "warned" anyone about the dubious content on the sites you link to - I notice the killtown.911review.org website you just posted a link to is running with an "Aids Was Created By Scientists To Kill Black People" special....
http://killtown.911review.org/aids.html
And you wonder why people call you lot 'conspiranoids', 'loonspuds', fruitloops' and just plain mentally ill...
Good luck fighting the US Government with your oddball mates - you're going to need all the help you can get...
Donna Ferentes
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That's got not anything at all to do with what I said. The point is that the Truth Seekers are never able to come up with anything even remotely resembling an account of what they think actually happened. Who did what and when, having been instructed to do so by whom. That sort of thing.sparticus said:
You are asking for the impossible. Sure you can suggest hypotheses, but the only way you would actually know is by asking the people involved, you know the FAA, the pentagon, NORAD, the CIA, the FBI, etc. This is precisely what the families tried to do.
In their shoes what would you have done? Accepted the blood money and the constantly shifting, inconsistent and plain contradictory accounts of the USG.
In their shoes what would you have done? Accepted the blood money and the constantly shifting, inconsistent and plain contradictory accounts of the USG.
sparticus said:
I linked to WRH because of the discussion I was having with MikeMMC about the central core, and it listed construction details for it. While I was at the page I noticed it had stills showing that the central core remaining standing, which was interesting.
The link was purely to do with the question of the collapse of the WTC.
On the question of whether I have an anti-semitic agenda, I thought that was cleared up in a previous thread where I showed a passport belonging to my grandmother. Here it is again, for the benefit of pk
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sparticus said:
I think you should do some HOMEwork.
pk said:
So that's the choice is it? I don't think so. If you were familiar with the 9/11 movement and the range of opinion that exists within you wouldn't be so dishonest as to pretend that it is just a bunch of anti-semites or believers of shapeshifting.
The 9/11 truth movement would be foolish and dishonest not to accept that there are some who believe that 9/11 was an inside job and who are also anti-semitic. But they are a tiny and insignificant minority. Your questioning Jazz's 'innocence' with zero evidence (other than guilt by association to material or links found on a website he links to, that was completely unrelated to thye discussion) and your general abusiveness is fucking unnecessary
the sad story of pk and the Pissing Contest
Once, he was the master.
Yes, when it came to the urine battle, pk was your man! Granted an extraordinary license by the board moderators to indulge in piss attacks, he ruled the jet stream. Woe betide the poor newbie that came under fire, for others would join in with pk and he would be end up in a nasty pool. If he thought he could retaliate, board moderation policy would quickly put an end to that idea. Of course, other newbies, and established posters, quickly reasoned that it was better to be behind pk, than in front.
But then, things started to change. Eventually, the thrill wore off for many posters, and they started to notice that the whole place was really a bit smelly. Some attacked posters were able to reflect the piss back onto pk. The wind changed. And maybe pk's direction and bladder control went off a bit - the result was, everyone behind pk started to get sprayed. No longer was it a case of having pk inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in - you just wanted to be away from it all, and especially away from pk.
pk wondered what to do. He was beginning to realise what he had been doing, he even was beginning to repent from his ways. Yet, still he only knew one way to be. To get rid of the stench, he tried turning into a pidgeon so he could fly around crapping on people, but that didn't help, people liked that even less. So he went back to his previous form, but the clothes really smell now, and he is increasingly looking the drunk guy on the street who does nothing but shout abuse while asking you for 50p with West Ham tattoed on one arm, and Millwall on the other.
Let this sorry tale be a lesson to young posters
Once, he was the master.
Yes, when it came to the urine battle, pk was your man! Granted an extraordinary license by the board moderators to indulge in piss attacks, he ruled the jet stream. Woe betide the poor newbie that came under fire, for others would join in with pk and he would be end up in a nasty pool. If he thought he could retaliate, board moderation policy would quickly put an end to that idea. Of course, other newbies, and established posters, quickly reasoned that it was better to be behind pk, than in front.
But then, things started to change. Eventually, the thrill wore off for many posters, and they started to notice that the whole place was really a bit smelly. Some attacked posters were able to reflect the piss back onto pk. The wind changed. And maybe pk's direction and bladder control went off a bit - the result was, everyone behind pk started to get sprayed. No longer was it a case of having pk inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in - you just wanted to be away from it all, and especially away from pk.
pk wondered what to do. He was beginning to realise what he had been doing, he even was beginning to repent from his ways. Yet, still he only knew one way to be. To get rid of the stench, he tried turning into a pidgeon so he could fly around crapping on people, but that didn't help, people liked that even less. So he went back to his previous form, but the clothes really smell now, and he is increasingly looking the drunk guy on the street who does nothing but shout abuse while asking you for 50p with West Ham tattoed on one arm, and Millwall on the other.
Let this sorry tale be a lesson to young posters
Donna Ferentes
jubliado
Well let's have some then. And I mean hypotheses, not speculations. Accounts of what you think may have happened, consistent with the known facts and with supporting evidence.sparticus said:
editor
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Hold on.Jazzz said:
You are aware that a host of posters think that you've been given some kind of extraordinary licence here because of your disruptive, evasive, troll-like conduct?
Why only last week at least two posters were asking why on earth you hadn't been banned yet.
Jazzz said:Once, he was the master.
Yes, when it came to the urine battle, pk was your man! Granted an extraordinary license by the board moderators to indulge in piss attacks, he ruled the jet stream. Woe betide the poor newbie that came under fire, for others would join in with pk and he would be end up in a nasty pool. If he thought he could retaliate, board moderation policy would quickly put an end to that idea. Of course, other newbies, and established posters, quickly reasoned that it was better to be behind pk, than in front.
But then, things started to change. Eventually, the thrill wore off for many posters, and they started to notice that the whole place was really a bit smelly. Some attacked posters were able to reflect the piss back onto pk. The wind changed. And maybe pk's direction and bladder control went off a bit - the result was, everyone behind pk started to get sprayed. No longer was it a case of having pk inside the tent pissing out rather than outside the tent pissing in - you just wanted to be away from it all, and especially away from pk.
pk wondered what to do. He was beginning to realise what he had been doing, he even was beginning to repent from his ways. Yet, still he only knew one way to be. To get rid of the stench, he tried turning into a pidgeon so he could fly around crapping on people, but that didn't help, people liked that even less. So he went back to his previous form, but the clothes really smell now, and he is increasingly looking the drunk guy on the street who does nothing but shout abuse while asking you for 50p with West Ham tattoed on one arm, and Millwall on the other.
Let this sorry tale be a lesson to young posters
That's one of your best posts ever!
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