911: What makes you suspicious - now with added extra poll option!

[Lock&Light]

This thread had already slipped into embarrassment before it became cringe worthy with the start of the Flimsy and Picky Comedy Show.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Welcome to the brave new world of Pickman's Model... True colours shining bright.

...first, they came for the c(k)onspiraloons, but I did not speak out, as I am not a c(k)onspiraloon.

Next, they came for the people who add superfluous konstanants to certain words...

Here's a thought: If you find certain threads too distressing, challenging, uncomforable or boring - why not just not read them? If you find the output of certain posters so distasteful or enraging that you wish to see them banned, do yourself a favour and use the 'ignore' feature.

- It's an option not available to Moderators, don't forget.

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I don't want to ban all conspiracy threads: I want a decent debate, but it's simply not possible...

Taking you at your word, here - have you given any thought to how a 'decent' debate might be facillitated? Obviously, the fact that at least some threads such as this are thus far spared from the bin indicates that there are perhaps some aspects of 11/9/01 you'd still like to see discussed - if only to remove room for doubt and add clarity.

I think FM identifies one of the main problems:

As a thorough-going sceptic I've become immensely infuriated by the efforts of conspiraloons to hijack any dissent as support for their alternative reality - a simplistic assumption that either one accepts the "official line" completely or rejects it utterly - and while I'm not accusing the thread starter of trying to do such a thing, I think the question itself has an element of that.

It's the polemic nature of the debates. FM highlights one side of it there - if the most hardened 'debunker of conspiraloonacy' admits to having a shred of doubt concerning some of the infomation we've been fed from 'official' sources, the polemic position is destroyed - the 'conspiraloons' can dance gleefully and the 'debunker' will (at least) look a bit inconsistent.

This is only possible, though, if the 'debunker' assumes a polemic position in the first place. Of course, this works the other way round, too. It takes two to tango.

We need to drop the polemic if we are going to have a 'decent debate' - one where we learn something, rather than just shouting from the trenches. I'd be interested in how people might think the first step towards this might be achieved.

But we're about to make a decision on these threads because I'm not the only one who's utterly fed up with them.

I'd also be interested to know the outcome of this 'decision', assuming that it will be made public.

 

[pk]

Errm, you've announced them banned before.

I suspect you enjoy them, hence them not being banned.

And you've announced that you wish to distance yourself from your twat persona here.

Yet here you are, still posting.

I suspect you enjoy being a twat.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suspect you enjoy being a twat.

you may suspect that flimsier enjoys being a twat; however, i long ago had my similar suspicions confirmed about you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Best word it in a way he understands:

"I suggest ye take thee advice to ye feedbackck secktion if ye must hawk it in publick pickckman's model ck ck ck ck."

isn't there something in the rules you so lovingly created which prohibits fucking about with usenames?

or doesn't it apply to you?

 

[Pickman's model]

Welcome to the brave new world of Pickman's Model... True colours shining bright.

...first, they came for the c(k)onspiraloons, but I did not speak out, as I am not a c(k)onspiraloon.

Next, they came for the people who add superfluous konstanants to certain words...

Here's a thought: If you find certain threads too distressing, challenging, uncomforable or boring - why not just not read them? If you find the output of certain posters so distasteful or enraging that you wish to see them banned, do yourself a favour and use the 'ignore' feature.

here's a thought: if you think that conspiracy theories are so fucking top, why don't you fuck off and join a board devoted to such wankery?

 

[Jazzz]

Backatcha Bandit has only made a handful of contributions on this thread and similar lately - I was wondering if he was still around. I for one think that's a shame, as I count him as an insightful and intelligent poster. I'm sure there are others who would concur.

What about those posters who I don't enjoy reading? Well rounding them up and shooting them is not the answer to that one. So, you are welcome to stay by me Pickman's.

But I don't think much of this mentality of yours.

 

[pk]

you may suspect that flimsier enjoys being a twat; however, i long ago had my similar suspicions confirmed about you.

You're not even worth rowing with, PM, you're just like Flimsier, in that you're nothing at all without playing at being one of Ernestolynch's minions, and no matter how much you want to try and get me to engage in an argument, I lost interest in arguing with you almost a year ago.

Not even worth calling you a twat, because I'm quite sure you're painfully aware of that fact.

So don't even waste your time, you've never even been close to the incisive wit you think you are.

 

[Lock&Light]

you've never even been close to the incisive wit you think you are.

Don't you mean, "thincks he is"?

 

[editor]

isn't there something in the rules you so lovingly created which prohibits fucking about with usenames?

or doesn't it apply to you?

Have you ever thought of acquiring a sense of humour? But seeing as it clearly upsets you soooooooooooo much, I'll edit out the deeply offensive additional 'ck' in your name.

After all, with you being the Number One Champion Post Reporter for nano-alterations to your name, I wouldn't want to see such a precious poster offended unduly and the 'report post' button getting another hammering on my account.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're not even worth rowing with, PM, you're just like Flimsier, in that you're nothing at all without playing at being one of Ernestolynch's minions, and no matter how much you want to try and get me to engage in an argument, I lost interest in arguing with you almost a year ago.

Not even worth calling you a twat, because I'm quite sure you're painfully aware of that fact.

So don't even waste your time, you've never even been close to the incisive wit you think you are.

this contradicts what you've previously said to me via pm, where you were the soul of amity.

anyway, being called a twat by you is more a compliment than an insult.

& i think i'd top myself if i felt that your good opinion was in any way desirable.

 

[pk]

this contradicts what you've previously said to me via pm, where you were the soul of amity.

anyway, being called a twat by you is more a compliment than an insult.

& i think i'd top myself if i felt that your good opinion was in any way desirable.

I contradict nothing said in PM... I can't be fucked arguing with a fragile fool such as yourself and in spite of your cowardly little digs over the past few months, after which you run and hide away, I am sticking to it.

You never were, and never will be, anything more than a minor player, a little irritant, an itch not even worth scratching, prickman.

 

[fela fan]

fridgemagnet...

"I'll bin it if you like.

I'm sick to death of all this shite. Every time, every time it comes back to the same old links and "you just believe whatever you're told" and all that."

If you're so sick of it all, why have you not binned this thread? Why just the other one? Why not this one too? You say you're sick to death of 'this shite', then why not bin this thread too eh?

Or are you not giving us the full picture...

... for if you are, you really need to bin this thread too, coz it's full of the same stuff.

Are you?

 

[editor]

Or are you not giving us the full picture...

That sounds exciting! What do you think the "full picture" might be?

 

[fela fan]

That sounds exciting! What do you think the "full picture" might be?

Have a guess, go on.

 

[editor]

Have a guess, go on.

Haven't a clue, that's why I asked you.

Please answer.

 

[fela fan]

Haven't a clue, that's why I asked you.

Please answer.

It begins with 'y'.

 

[editor]

It begins with 'y'.

Just answer the fucking question.

 

[fela fan]

Just answer the fucking question.

I think you'll have to direct the fucking question to fm. He binned the other thread saying how sick to death he was of all this shite. Yet he forgot to bin this thread too. Makes me wonder how really sick to death of it all he is.

But it leaves unanswered questions that only he can answer. So, ask him eh.

But my thinking informs me that these threads often get binned when you start getting into hot water, when the kitchen gets warm, when you're losing the debate.

But i'm often wrong, so don't take my word for it.

There, is the 'fucking question' now answered??

 

[pk]

I don't recall a single time where any conspiracy theorist has ever "won" a debate here.

Basically, you're not going to win by linking to David Icke as proof of a theory.

 

[editor]

But my thinking informs me that these threads often get binned when you start getting into hot water, when the kitchen gets warm, when you're losing the debate.

Well allow me to prove you wrong and allay all your fears by closing this thread right now while it's only you floundering around like a beached whale.

Problem solved!