911: What makes you suspicious - now with added extra poll option!

[tarannau]

Why? Genuine question. In the debate on the physics.org forum someone came on to have witnessed oil depot fires...

Was the poster seemingly a very knowledgeable chap? Very confident in his facts? Was he called Tobyjug by any chance?


With the greatest of respect, why give the opinions of a mysterious poster on a bulletin board over the reams of accredited, named and respected scientists and engineers who haven't quibbled with that aspect of events.

 

[Dubversion]

i voted 'other', for the reasons i've mentioned elsewhere before:

whilst i'm not dumb enough to take the official view at face value, every time you try and approach any of the other versions, they're just ravaged by half-baked fantasy, playground science, Illuminati bullshit and other such tosh. so i just give up.

 

[pk]

And look at the Buncefield depot blaze - after days of mostrous inferno the skin of some holders was still intact - pretty warped, yes, but still there.

Funny you should mention Buncefield....

Interesting that al-Qaida put out a warning a few weeks before saying they were going to hit targets, including petroleum, and also that it might include 'conventional explosives and low-technology platforms such as truck bombs'.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/15/terror/main529501.shtml

Moreover accoring to Forbes, the explosion: "occurred four days after an al-Qaida videotape on the Internet called for attacks on facilities carrying oil".

http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2005/12/14/ap2392672.html

Interesting US press drew the direct connection between these warning and the blast but we in the UK did not. For example see:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nationworld/bal-londonfire1211,1,587792.story?c oll=bal-home-headlines&ctrack=1&cset=true

Al Quaida, NOT Jewish lizards, mind...

 

[pk]

You keep on with this anti semitic bollox. Care to back it up

You keep on with your proven-to-be-bollocks conspiracy theorist crap, yet you can't back that up...

The 9/11 Truth Movement is riddled with anti-semitic tosspots banging on about the Illuminati and David Icke, and you know it.

 

[Jazzz]

And in none of these FACTS are the assumption that Bugs Bunny was personally involved either.

But from editor's own fire investigation link earlier, it states that one must assume all possibilities, such as terrorist bombs, until ruled out. You don't simply assume your conclusion, that is not investigation, it's whitewash.

<re: 'twinning' test on the steel> This is another lie, presumably serving to back up the antisemitic theories from which these tales of fantasy and conspiracy are derived.

I believe it to be the case, if you know different doubtless you can provide a link. Steve Jones, in his paper makes reference to tests which could easily settle the question given a metal sample, if you like I can supply that. I don't appreciate my integrity being smeared with your low level of debate pk.

 

[sparticus]

What evidence?

And to deny you your pathetic attempts to disprove the simple truths of the events of 9/11 is one thing - for you to accuse everyone of being an "apologist" for Cheney et al just because people don't go along blindly with your shithead anti-semitic website nonsense makes YOU the fucking liar.

To state that there is NO evidence that challenges the official myth makes you ignorant of the facts or a liar. To accuse me of anti-semitism is again bullshit.

But enough of this bollocks. I'm out of here

 

[Badger Kitten]

Funny you should mention Buncefield....

Interesting that al-Qaida put out a warning a few weeks before saying they were going to hit targets, including petroleum, and also that it might include 'conventional explosives and low-technology platforms such as truck bombs'.

<snip>
Interesting US press drew the direct connection between these warning and the blast but we in the UK did not. For example see:

Al Quaida, NOT Jewish lizards, mind...

Great. So a ''power surge/industrial accident '' blows up the tubes on 7/7 and HMG blame ''terrorism'' according to the conspiraloons, then an oil dept explodes ''because of Al Qaieda'' and these people claim HMG says it is ''an industrial accident''.

make your mind up

 

[editor]

With the greatest of respect, why give the opinions of a mysterious poster on a bulletin board over the reams of accredited, named and respected scientists and engineers who haven't quibbled with that aspect of events.

Who can forget that 'expert' Jazzz claimed to have found on the internet to to back his fruitloop yarn about Saddam's son?

It turned out this highly qualified 'expert' had absolutely zero papers published anywhere in his name - in fact he had no known history on the web - and that the mysterious bulletin board that Jazz claimed he was posting on turned out to be totally untraceable!

 

[pk]

you assume that the fires could have heated up the central supports, you can't possibly claim that they could have heated them significantly all the way up and down the towers - utter nonsense. I don't even guess that that is claimed! So, what made them collapse?

The airplane impact with damage to the columns.

The ensuing fire with loss of steel strength and distortion.

The collapse, which generally occurred inward without significant tipping.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html

Face is Jazzz - you have failed, once again, to convince ANYONE of your dumb theories.

 

[pk]

enough of this bollocks. I'm out of here

Good. Fuck off.

 

[pk]

Great. So a ''power surge/industrial accident '' blows up the tubes on 7/7 and HMG blame ''terrorism'' according to the conspiraloons, then an oil dept explodes ''because of Al Qaieda'' and these people claim HMG says it is ''an industrial accident''.

make your mind up

Precisely my point... the conspiraloons will cherry pick ANYTHING to suit their ends as long as they remember to ignore facts, choosing instead to take the word of dead cunts like Joe Vialls if it suits them.

Surprised Jazzz hasn't taken the Buncefield incident further...

 

[Jazzz]

Great. So a ''power surge/industrial accident '' blows up the tubes on 7/7 and HMG blame ''terrorism'' according to the conspiraloons, then an oil dept explodes ''because of Al Qaieda'' and these people claim HMG says it is ''an industrial accident''.

make your mind up

I must include your recent offerings as the same low-level of debate as pk, badger kitten. I am not aware of anyone maintaining that the the tube wasn't blown up on 7/7, I certainly don't, yet you put words into my mouth - and anyone else who dares question the official narrative - that I say that.

Are you suggesting along with pk that Buncefield was a case of terrorism? If so, that means you think that HMG can lie through their teeth on the issue. If not, well we agree and that leaves pk as the conspiracy theorist on the issue. I don't see where you are coming from tbh.

 

[Jazzz]

Meaningful discussion on this topic appears to be degenerating into a personality-based pack hunt so typical of urban75 at its worst, not surprising given the introduction of pk.

 

[pk]

But from editor's own fire investigation link earlier, it states that one must assume all possibilities, such as terrorist bombs, until ruled out. You don't simply assume your conclusion, that is not investigation, it's whitewash.

I concluded that the damage was caused by planes hitting both towers, and at the time you started this course of bollocks, posted, along with others, plenty of proof from experts - as opposed to conspiracy nutjobs - to back up the conclusion. You, naturally, ignored all the facts in favour of David Icke's theories.

I believe it to be the case, if you know different doubtless you can provide a link. Steve Jones, in his paper makes reference to tests which could easily settle the question given a metal sample, if you like I can supply that.

OK. The FBI conspired in the world trade center bombing.
They couldn't wait to stab a serious blow to their economy and be ridiculed for not stopping it.

I don't appreciate my integrity being smeared with your low level of debate pk.

You wouldn't know integrity if it fell from space and sat on your face, Mr Huntley Is Innocent.

 

[pk]

I must include your recent offerings as the same low-level of debate as pk, badger kitten. I am not aware of anyone maintaining that the the tube wasn't blown up on 7/7, I certainly don't, yet you put words into my mouth - and anyone else who dares question the official narrative - that I say that.

Are you suggesting along with pk that Buncefield was a case of terrorism? If so, that means you think that HMG can lie through their teeth on the issue. If not, well we agree and that leaves pk as the conspiracy theorist on the issue. I don't see where you are coming from tbh.

I'm not suggesting Buncefield was a terrorist act - I'm saying it works both ways - if you're adamant that something that happened on another continent (ever been to New York, Jazzz?) was a conspiracy by what you've read on the internet - then surely it follows you should therefore believe that Buncefield was also an act of terrorism.

What do you think about Buncefield, Jazzz?

Was it too the work of lizards, done to boost the price of oil?

Nobody died, funny how it blew on Monday AM when nobody was around, eh?

Or do you just follow the Government line that it was an accident?

Like a sheep.

Baaaa! Baaaaa!

 

[Jazzz]

If there is a conspiracy going on with Buncefield, it looks to me like it's the US planting ridiculous propaganda linking it to Al-Qaeda, an organisation whose existence everyone was questioning on these boards after the 'Power of Nightmares' came out. That lasted long, didn't it? Back to the movie!

 

[pk]

If there is a conspiracy going on with Buncefield, it looks to me like it's the US planting ridiculous propaganda linking it to Al-Qaeda, an organisation whose existence everyone was questioning on these boards after the 'Power of Nightmares' came out. That lasted long, didn't it? Back to the movie!

Everyone meaning...erm, you.

The only one attempting to plant ridiculous propaganda is... erm... you.

Still think Huntley is innocent, and it was all a cover up to protect US servicemen who prey on Soham kids?

Still believe the 9/11 flights were electronically hijacked off the ground?

Still believe the relatives of the passengers who died on those flights were contacted not by their terrified loved ones but instead called by government agents who were skilled in impersonating people?

Still believe vaccines are worse for your health than the actual diseases?

Give it up Jazzz, you're a fucking joke.

 

[pk]

To state that there is NO evidence that challenges the official myth makes you ignorant of the facts or a liar. To accuse me of anti-semitism is again bullshit.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israel_9-11_truth.html

Funny how the website you keep linking to is as keen as hell to blame Israel for 9/11....

 

[Jazzz]

... there is something really fishy about the collapse of WTC 7.

...
I think the Saudi businessmen were in it with Bush up to their necks, and this way all evidence and legal personnel surrounding a scandal much bigger than Enron were destroyed forever.

And why they flew out members of the Bin Laden family to Saudi within hours of the attack, well, that's just pure bollocks, no Republicunt has ever explained this.

Time will tell, but that's my hunch.

Bush is more than capable of this kind of atrocity, as he's since demonstrated.

I regret that you are a shameless hypocrite pk.

And let me remind you I have made no obligation to you to keep confidences.

 

[pk]

I regret that you are a shameless hypocrite pk.

I am nowhere near being hypocritical.

I think Bush stinks, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was involved, given the level at which he, his business interests and parties, and indeed his family operate.

Doesn't mean I take any of your shit seriously though.

And let me remind you I have made no obligation to you to keep confidences.

What's that supposed to mean?

What confidences are you on about?

Because if that's some kind of a threat, believe me, you're in a far, far more vulnerable position than I am, so you'd better explain pronto what you're implying there.

 

[editor]

And let me remind you I have made no obligation to you to keep confidences.

Talking of which I am fucking livid with you because of your recent inability to respect people's privacy and keep your big mouth shut.

 

[Jazzz]

I think Bush stinks, and it wouldn't surprise me if he was involved, given the level at which he, his business interests and parties, and indeed his family operate.

Well... what more do we need to say?

To be honest I don't see how I can argue against this point of view, I'm with it all the way.

 

[Jazzz]

Talking of which I am fucking livid with you because of your recent inability to respect people's privacy and keep your big mouth shut.

Please elaborate.

 

[pk]

Talking of which I am fucking livid with you because of your recent inability to respect people's privacy and keep your big mouth shut.

Any of this involve me?

 

[pk]

Please elaborate.

Why don't you tell us what you've been up to?

 

[Jazzz]

He's referring to the *** ******** affair, which is beyond belief, because - well let me say - she has a far higher opinion of me than editor, and that's putting it very mildly indeed. For editor to complain about me on her behalf is outstanding chutzpah.

 

[pk]

So you'd better explain this comment, just in case I get the wrong idea:

And let me remind you I have made no obligation to you to keep confidences.

 

[Jazzz]

I retract it - you aren't worth it pk, especially when we appear to be in accordance on the issue of 9-11.

 

[pk]

I retract it - you aren't worth it pk, especially when we appear to be in accordance on the issue of 9-11.

We will never be in accordance on the issue of 9/11 - you're full of shit.

Tell you what - on the record - don't ever fuck with me, Jazzz, whatever it is you're threatening.

That is your one and only warning.

 

[Techno303]

We will never be in accordance on the issue of 9/11 - you're full of shit.

Tell you what - on the record - you fuck with me and my privacy and I will personally make sure you really do regret it for the rest of your life.

I know who you are, and exactly where you are, and no matter what banter may happen on these boards, whatever "confidence" you're threatening to betray, you had better think long and hard before making an enemy of me.

I don't live in a square that sounds like it's been infected with listeria, you see.

Think about that.

That is your one and only warning.