If a mosque goes up in east London then so what? There's Muslims here. The Olympics is fucking annoying because it's being paid for by public funds and businesses will be the ones to gain from it. Property owners might gain too but I'm not one of them and I live in the area.
70% of Americans oppose the mosque
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Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
my sentiments precisely.
Johnny Canuck3
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I certainly don't care. It's the 250,000 of your countrymen with their names on the petition opposing it, who seem to care.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Woah, 250,000.
250,000 might not seem like a lot to you but when Johnny is clutching at straws it's a huge number.
Johnny Canuck3
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250,000 might not seem like a lot to you but when Johnny is clutching at straws it's a huge number.
The next time 250,000 people show up for an antiwar protest or what have you, we'll be able to dismiss it as not a lot of people, and not in any way representative of public opinion.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
250k people signing an online petition and 250k people actually getting off their arses and going on a demo are two entirely different propositions.
Johnny Canuck3
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Obviously completely different. Getting off the computer or the tv on a saturday afternoon, marching and listening to a speech for a couple of hours, then going to the pub, is evidence of a deep commitment, and not only that, it's an obvious indication that the bulk of the population is behind them as well.
It's obvious that 250,000 people supporting a cause you believe in, is a significant number; while 250,000 supporting a cause you disagree with, is an insignificant number.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Signing a petition takes even less effort than making a post on Urban75 - how many people go on 100,269 demonstrations in their lifetimes?
Johnny Canuck3
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Damn few, I suspect.
Johnny Canuck3
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It's been pointed out in an earlier post that if one reads the link in the op, one learns that the 70% figure is based upon a poll that was conducted with a sample of 1000 americans.
Cheers! I'll ignore every poll ever until they ask every member of a population.
Johnny Canuck3
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Cheers! I'll ignore every poll ever until they ask every member of a population.
Whatever you're comfortable with. My original point, and the one I've been making throughout, is that a 250,000 petition, is some indication that people outside the immediate neighborhood, were aware of the mosque proposal. I've said nothing about how many people in UK might oppose or be in favor of the mosque.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
johnny, for all you know, and as you haven't established otherwise, that's 250,000 people all called 'sebastian clagybollox', or similar.
You don't know the precise wording, the people conducting it, the environment/context of polling............
You don't know the precise wording, the people conducting it, the environment/context of polling............
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
to reiterate; whoever said there isn't islamophobia in the UK? sure there is, or else the knuckledraggers of the BNP & EDL wouldn't exist. I JUST find it pretty sad - and immature actually, nursery-level debating - that it is impossible that we can't have a debate about the US without JC3 poping up and saying " Oh well, the UK's just as bad cos of XYZ". This is the World forum, we have a separate UK Forum
Johnny Canuck3
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Who is 'we'?
Johnny Canuck3
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What I was saying is that before people start making mendacious comments about 'how can americans be like that?', they should first ask the question of why their own countrymen are acting in the exact same fashion.
Johnny Canuck3
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And if the UK gets mentioned in the World forum, what happens: someone runs up and whacks your peepee with a yardstick?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It is the proportions that shock people, Canuck.
Johnny Canuck3
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I'll bet the proportions opposing your mosque were just as high. The only difference is that 250,000 americans haven't signed any petitions on the matter.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
How is the question 'how can americans be like that?' mendacious?
Johnny Canuck3
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You're right. Disingenuous is a better word in the circumstances.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
You think 70% of the population would have been against it?
Johnny Canuck3
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Proper Tidy
Arsed
Why?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
urban75, of which you and I are longstanding members, who did you think I meant - the Tufty club?
e2a: in response to johnny's stupidest question yet:
e2a: in response to johnny's stupidest question yet:
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
dp
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
a relatively small, obsessive proportion of them are. If you are on a mission to get a petition like that going - as the people behind it clearly were - you go to the nutter fringe first.
And I note no comment on the qualifying doubts I raised in #165 on this thread.
I've worked in opinion-polling, Johnny, it's fairly easy to twist it any way you want
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
sorry, you're talking bollocks - they weren't - at as grassroots level, the mainstream response was a huge shrug of indifference.
