24 Hours in Police Custody
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tonysingh
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I had that troubled past too but that don't excuse me being a shitcunt in the present so i totally get why your missus hates that excuse. Own your shit innit?
Guidelines innit? He made the mistake of admitting attempted murder, with a gun
I think he had a shit solicitingSo is community sentencing, which probably costs more. The probation company is a joke, absolute waste.
And, of course, we aren’t allowed to hope something similar happens to her.
I was looking for reports on the previous sentence but couldn't find anything. This one says the case was in court last October so she'll probably be due for release very soon if she's not out already. Also gives a little more detail of the stuff that happened to her.
www.lutontoday.co.uk
Murder trial dropped against Houghton Regis woman accused of killing partner
A murder trial against a Houghton Regis woman accused of killing her partner was sensationally dropped in court today.
www.lutontoday.co.uk
Border Reiver
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Community sentencing is far cheaper than imprisonment.
Border Reiver
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Watched it.
1/ no evidence that death was connected with the assault. Not murder, or manslaughter.
2/ insufficient evidence that GBH occurred.
3/ only ABH proved. Sentencing guidelines suggest starting point of eighteen months, maximum three years. Insufficient aggravating factors to increase above the target sentence. Some evidence of mitigating factors.
4/ looks spot on to me.
1/ no evidence that death was connected with the assault. Not murder, or manslaughter.
2/ insufficient evidence that GBH occurred.
3/ only ABH proved. Sentencing guidelines suggest starting point of eighteen months, maximum three years. Insufficient aggravating factors to increase above the target sentence. Some evidence of mitigating factors.
4/ looks spot on to me.
tony.c
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According to the report in the local paper at post #697, she admitted the ABH, so she would also have been given a discount on her sentence for pleading guilty. I think the guilty plea discount is 30% so she would have got 27 months if she had been found guilty rather than admitting it.
Border Reiver
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The starting point is eighteen months. So she received some discount for pleading guilty (don't know at what stage) and some increase to end up at sixteen months.
I have a general question about this show, its probably been covered already but this thread is 24 pages. How do they get away with filming these people and their crimes in such intimate detail and broadcasting them to the nation? Do the people in question give their consent?
Border Reiver
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No consent is necessary If official police footage is used in the furtherance of justice if the person is convicted. You have no right to privacy in a police station when under arrest. You will see third parties are sometimes blurred out.
Well, its not just 'futherance of justice'. It's one of C4's highest rating programmes and therefore advertisers will be climbing over themselves and paying top dollar to fill the ad breaks. I dont see how they can screen, for example, the guy who was shagging very young teenage girls a couple of weeks ago without his consent. He'll be a marked man now surely.
tony.c
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The discount is much lower at trial than closer to first being charged.
Even better
Border Reiver
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They can do it because there is a very limited right to privacy except in private spaces. Advertising and profit are immaterial.
tonysingh
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The discount doesn't have to be actual time off your sentence. In my last case, I plead guilty and my credit was the case not being referred onto Crown. (Mind you, I'm still bitter about the actual sentence.
)The killing in this show.... It reminds me a lot of the one punch deaths you see too often. You know, someone goes out and gets into a row, one punch and their victim falls n hits their head just qt the wrong angle... Hey presto, they're a killer. Them sentences run in years. I get it's within guidelines but it's the summit of a campaign of violence from her.
She lucked out with 16 months, big time. If I were her, I'd start playing the lotto straight out the gate.
Edited to add, i just looked up a case that happened a fair while back outside the football near where I live. Two firms run at each other, one guy chins another and the other fellas brown bread. No intention to kill, explosion of anger etc etc. He only got 4 years. I thought he'd got a lot longer.
Border Reiver
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As above she is not "lucky". The verdict and sentence are spot on the intention of the sentencing council.The discount doesn't have to be actual time off your sentence. In my last case, I plead guilty and my credit was the case not being referred onto Crown. (Mind you, I'm still bitter about the actual sentence.
The killing in this show.... It reminds me a lot of the one punch deaths you see too often. You know, someone goes out and gets into a row, one punch and their victim falls n hits their head just qt the wrong angle... Hey presto, they're a killer. Them sentences run in years. I get it's within guidelines but it's the summit of a campaign of violence from her.
She lucked out with 16 months, big time. If I were her, I'd start playing the lotto straight out the gate.
Edited to add, i just looked up a case that happened a fair while back outside the football near where I live. Two firms run at each other, one guy chins another and the other fellas brown bread. No intention to kill, explosion of anger etc etc. He only got 4 years. I thought he'd got a lot longer.
One punch manlaughter is a major concession, not an unfair result.
tonysingh
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She really is lucky though, in comparison with other similar cases. She also has a record for at least one other offence, committed against the same victim plus substantial police involvement in her life.
I can't speak to women's jails and how they run things inside. I can only use male jails as a rule and 16 months is not enough to address her offending behaviour. That's 8 months of actual time which is a long layin. Alcohol dependency and her serious mental health issues and traumatic past need dealing with really. Perhaps avoiding jail entirely and a sentence in a secure mental health facility would have been better and more compassionate, both for her and her those affected by her crime.
Border Reiver
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As I say, the rules were applied precisely in her case.
I cannot speak for other examples but most anomalies become clear when the sentencing guidelines are followed.
Most anomalies are caused by ignorance and misunderstandings.
tonysingh
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But it is so true. The popular press belly aches about a sentence but in almost all cases the sentencing falls within government approved sentencing guidelines. Now the guidelines may be wrong but that is a political, not legal, problem.Ouch.
A380
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Apparently: Garden Productions go into Luton Nick and wire up custody and quite a few strategic offices and other rooms with lots and lots of HD but small CCTV cameras and microphones . They also have teams of camera operators who both float round the building and follow officers and staff outside on jobs. They also have a team of editorial interviewers who ask questions of all those involved on camera. The filming stage doesn’t take very long six weeks or so? But they film hundreds and hundreds (thousands even?) of hours of footage. They will also go out to follow possibly interesting stories in the wider Tri-force consortium (Beds, Herts and Cambs- firearms, MCU- major crimes or ‘murder squad’ and Roads policing traffic- boring). They will also spend a few days in the force control room for background. Finally they do conventional interviews when they have more of an idea of what stories / cases they are going to use. Apparently.
The selection of stories and editing takes a couple of years as they sort through all of the content to boil down into strong narratives.
People (suspects, witnesses, staff and cops) do have to give consent which is why some faces are blurred. Really unusually- perhaps uniquely- the force though has no editorial control. The Chief Constable when Garden Productions first started got a huge amount of stick from NPCC for that, but it’s probably one of the reasons the programme is so good. That and the fact it must cost an absolute fortune compared with all that ‘police camera actin bang crash tosh’ made with a couple of blokes with a camera in the back of an ANPR interceptor.
Allegedly there are two types of senior officers in Beds. Those who tried their hardest to stay away from Luton when Garden were in. And those, often those who would never be seen near a custody block or CID office normally, who can often be seen swanning round in the background- much to the derision of everyone else... Allegedly.
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Hey amazing, two more topics that apparently you can be completely fucking wrong about and yet pontificate on. Do your ignorance and arogance have any bounds?
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The discount doesn't have to be actual time off your sentence. In my last case, I plead guilty and my credit was the case not being referred onto Crown. (Mind you, I'm still bitter about the actual sentence.
The killing in this show.... It reminds me a lot of the one punch deaths you see too often. You know, someone goes out and gets into a row, one punch and their victim falls n hits their head just qt the wrong angle... Hey presto, they're a killer. Them sentences run in years. I get it's within guidelines but it's the summit of a campaign of violence from her.
She lucked out with 16 months, big time. If I were her, I'd start playing the lotto straight out the gate.
Edited to add, i just looked up a case that happened a fair while back outside the football near where I live. Two firms run at each other, one guy chins another and the other fellas brown bread. No intention to kill, explosion of anger etc etc. He only got 4 years. I thought he'd got a lot longer.
Is that where you got the 6+6... I’d have rather gone to the crown and probably get a suspended
A380
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FTFY
tonysingh
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Is that where you got the 6+6... I’d have rather gone to the crown and probably get a suspended
Yeah, it was them cunts. Admittedly I didn't take my sentence well.
I might have kicked off. 
They aren’t stupid, they know what they are doing!Yeah, it was them cunts. Admittedly I didn't take my sentence well.
I was in Dewsbury mags cells the day that Craig Meehan was up for sentencing and the G4S bloke knew what he was getting before he’d even been in front of the district judge
... he even “accidentally” left our cell unlocked and made a point of telling us who was in the cell next door! UNLOCK MEEHAN, MEEHAN IS COMING BACK... I didn’t bite... he was a little drip of a bloke anyway when I saw him walk past.Similar threads
