Also, he pleaded guilty to attempted murder... schoolboy error... he could have argued it down to wounding
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tonysingh
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From what I could gather he had a relationship with his kids, and the mother, so it wasn’t like he lost all stability when care dumped him(and thst is what happens to care leavers by the way). A very troubled young man indeed, and I fear the next 15 years in prison won’t reform him in any way whatsoever
Yeah, he's hardly a master criminal, i grant you that. All the more reason to offer him a glimmer of hope I'd say.
Hopefully, and it might be a long old shot, but he could maintain that relationship with his kids. There's programmes in jail to facilitate that.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
A point blank shot centimetres from the heart, would be a big ask to get that down to wounding.
Was an excellent episode though, clearly no one wants violent nutters walking around shooting randoms, that's a nightmare scenario and you want the key thrown away, but then to show the other side of the coin, really strains at the emotions.
How often do you hear of attempted murder cases? The only person who knows if he was trying to kill the victim was the perpetrator; unless there is proof of pre planning... wound/gbh with intent and attempted murder carry very similar sentences anyway
15 years... hate to say it but he will lose what ever he had on the out, and in 15 years when he gets out we’ll probably see him on 24 hours in police custody for another serious offence... you lose what little you have, and you lose hope
Those lads on long stretches rarely make the best of their time inside, they just get more and more angry.I’ve seen too many just throw their life away spending 2 year in prison a few months out, 2 years in prison a few months out ad infinitum.
tonysingh
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15 years... hate to say it but he will lose what ever he had on the out, and in 15 years when he gets out we’ll probably see him on 24 hours in police custody for another serious offence... you lose what little you have, and you lose hope
I’ve seen too many just throw their life away spending 2 year in prison a few months out, 2 years in prison a few months out ad infinitum.
Same as that mate, I guess I was just trying to see a glimpse of light through the cell door.
wayward bob
i ate all your bees
is "attempted" one too many syllables?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
The last page of this thread indicates a significant amount of sympathy for the perp. The gist of it seems to be the length of the sentence and the fact that this will be unlikely to rehabilitate him and will simply produce an angrier and more dangerous individual upon release. I suspect that's largely true.
But, here's the thing. If I remember correctly he had been arrested 26 times previously for robbery, drugs offences and other offences that carried either no sentence or a short one. Presumably his lawyers offered the same arguments then as they did on this occasion. So, given that the previous 26 attempts failed why would a 27th succeed?
Put another way, is there any evidence at all that a shorter sentence succeed could succeed in persuading him that shooting and threatening total strangers with a gun is a bad thing?
But, here's the thing. If I remember correctly he had been arrested 26 times previously for robbery, drugs offences and other offences that carried either no sentence or a short one. Presumably his lawyers offered the same arguments then as they did on this occasion. So, given that the previous 26 attempts failed why would a 27th succeed?
Put another way, is there any evidence at all that a shorter sentence succeed could succeed in persuading him that shooting and threatening total strangers with a gun is a bad thing?
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
Being arrested 26 times isn't the same as 26 convictions, much less 26 custodial sentences. I'm willing to bet that any custodial sentences he did get were barely a handful of weeks. In other words, not even close enough to address whatever issues he clearly has. I'm also willing to lay odds that any jail time he had done was spent near enough 24/7 behind the door with zero rehabilitation, education, work or therapy opportunities.
The dude was clearly young enough to sort himself out, with assistance from the authorities. 15 years stir simply won't do that. So yes, I have sympathy for him, just as I do his victim.
A shorter sentence could sort him, assuming the time was spent addressing his offending behaviour. Otherwise punitive sentences are pointless and a waste of money.
There's also this. The penal system in this country is knackered. It needs reform at every level and every point. As it is, it's doing much more harm than good.
It did also say that the vast majority of those crimes were committed whilst a juvenile.
BigMoaner
What A Load of Old Bollocks
Wouldn't say I have sympathy for him. I've had enough trauma in my life to know that a sense of justice is healing and necessary for closure. That polish bloke was nothing to him as he fired the bullet. He has the propensity to see people as trash, okay enough to fire bullets into.
But that is no justification for punitive inhuman sentencing. As I say, 6 years noparole and a shit load of help. The sentence because justice is as human as love or loyalty etc. The help because he himself has probably had a tough life and needs it find peace. Prisoners probably need more help than anyone in this society. But victims also need justice.
But that is no justification for punitive inhuman sentencing. As I say, 6 years noparole and a shit load of help. The sentence because justice is as human as love or loyalty etc. The help because he himself has probably had a tough life and needs it find peace. Prisoners probably need more help than anyone in this society. But victims also need justice.
Indeliblelink
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Fascinating episode tonight.
Poor bloke.
Poor bloke.
mystic pyjamas
Don't call us,we'll call you.
Jesus Christ. Estimated 100,000 people enslaved in uk !
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Mad AF! Amazing survival skills
Easy to say of course but if he was up for telling the cops "everything" (according to his sister) then could've maybe gone in asda and asked staff to ring em
I've just checked out an aerial shot of the woods where he hid for four/five years and it's not like it's even 'deep in the woods', it's a small patch of trees near some houses and what looks like a playing field. Just weird that you can tuck yourself away like that and not get spotted or hassled by kids or something. Mad story.
AverageJoe
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That was mad.
And to think he managed to live for five years in the woods, 50m from the local asda and the police still couldn't find him.
One could summise they didn't want to.
And to think he managed to live for five years in the woods, 50m from the local asda and the police still couldn't find him.
One could summise they didn't want to.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Yeah, the top copper was giving it about how much they "cared" and "wanted to solve" the case but they'd closed it so bollocks pr/damage limitation
AverageJoe
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It was only when the Facebook account appeared that things started to move. Until then, he was just another statistic.
It's actually a bit odd that it's included in this series as it shows the failings of Cambridshire police
It's actually a bit odd that it's included in this series as it shows the failings of Cambridshire police
tonysingh
Random Clever and Witty Strapline
All of this smacks loudly of immigrants being more or less invisible really, of little consequence.
I forget what crop it was but that shot of people tending to a field was somewhat haunting. How many of those could go missing or be kept their against their will and the authorities only give a derisory shit at best?
tony.c
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Leeks.
It's surprising the number of people who are over here but out of sight to the vast majority of us. When language is a barrier and people have a fear of authority due to the fear mongering and shear bloody mindedness of the Home Office, it must feel safer to just drop out of sight and keep below the radar.
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