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2004 F1 Championship

Who will take the drivers/constructors crown

  • Michael Schumacher

    Votes: 23 62.2%

  • Someone else who thinks they are good

    Votes: 8 21.6%

  • Ferrari

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • Some other sub-standard car manufacturer

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • Total voters
    37
massa will nevr do much. he seems to do lots of very strange things in agrand prix.


and how is jensen doing marginally better then sato??? pissed all over ferrai in th warm up sessions over the wekeend, would probbaley have been on the front row of the grid if they were all on the same fuel, and has had two podium finishes out of three races putting him third in the drivers championship.

okay he would have finsihed 4th if it wasn't for montoya having a major problem. But considering the BAR car isn't the fastest he is doing a danm good job. he looks really smooth on the race track and making very few mistakes.

If BAR's improvments come through for silverstone then depending on what everyone else does i could see him climbing up to the top step of the podium this season(presuming shumacher crashes or gets assignated or something)


oh and B are you bigging up ferrai in a vain attempt to win gemma james' heart or you just glory hunting?

dave
 
Button cocked up his qualifying lap, wasn't a case of fuel. If you go on the fuel theory, he had over 3 laps more fuel than both Ferrari's - and the Honda is a smaller engine so possibly 4 laps. Button just doesn't strike me as a driver with some uniquely special talent about him, bit of a Coulthard, he'll win some races but isn't going to be winning many Championships.

I ain't into gemma james, I've been a Schumacher fan since 1994 thanks. And if we're going to another gemma james rumour mill thread, I'm sure she'd have a few choice words about it all :rolleyes:

Button is only third in the driver's because his car stays on the track - Ralf and Montoya would have easily cruised right ahead of him and stayed ahead on him in Malaysia and Bahrain.

BAR haven't got that bad a car now, certainly rivals the Renault (and betters it on grunt).

And Schumacher hasn't had a DNF for a long time now.
 
"to finish first, first you must finish" ;)

Button is a good driver - I don't think he has anything on JPM, MS, Kimi, or Alonso but he strikes me as someone who is a team player and knows about setting a car up.

He's much better than DC - for a start he knows how to out brake people to overtake. However the big difference between DC and Button is that they had top level drives - Berger drove for McLaren when Senna dominated, DC has been at Williams alongside 2 WDC's and at McLaren when they had easily the best car in the field. And what has he achieved?

Latest rumours: Ralf to Toyota to partner Zonta/Da Matta, Williams get Mark Webber and Hiedfeld, DC to Jag/Sauber.
 
I saw Sunday's Bahrain race. Blame beesonthewhatnow and a serious hangover...

Anyway, I reckon the best way to make F1 exciting again would be to stick Michael Schumacher in a Minardi. As it is, he's in the best car and he's frankly head and shoulders above any other driver in the sport - and has been for a decade since Senna was killed - so he's naturally unbeatable. Put him in a Minardi and watch him fight his way through the traffic ... my bet is that he'd still get it on the podium.
 
In 1994, Schumacher won the first 4 grand prix of the season anyway...some of those happened when Senna was alive.
 
the B said:
In 1994, Schumacher won the first 4 grand prix of the season anyway...some of those happened when Senna was alive.
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Indeed, but Schumacher was very young then, plus Senna's Williams didn't handle as well as the Benetton IIRC. I think a straight fight between them later in the year would have been fascinating.

The point still stands though: Schumacher's a greater driver than anyone else in the last ten years: given an average car he could still win; in a great car he's unbeatable. No disrespect to him at all, but any sport becomes a bit boring when the same faces are on the podium all the time.
 
Roadkill - It's a measure of the progress that in testing and at Sepang that Bruni managed to lap the Minardi on times that would have got him on the front 2 rows of the '03 grid!!

I really wish someone would give Minardi a load of cash and get them further up the grid. You have to admire their professionalism and dedication.

The alternative would be for Bernie to drop his ridiculous price for entering F1 - you have to pay a bond up front of around £40m I think and make some components standard (brakes, suspension) to try and cut costs. Then wwe might get a few more teams entering. In 1990 there were 19 teams trying to qualify for a GP like Simtek, Leyton House, Lola, Coloni (wuith the mighty Bertrand Gachot!!!), EuroBrun but the costs were prohibitive.

Getting some of those back might make it a bit more interesting so you had different cars in different races. Traditional chaissis developers liek Lola, Dallara, Reynard might then develop F1 spec chassis and let teams take custoemrs engines from other teams - Renault for example.

Also, whatever happened to Dan Gurney's US-only "Eagle" team? There were rumours he had some backing from Reynard after they pulled out from BAR and GM would supply the engine (badged as Chrysler so some such).
 
Agree with all of that. Frankly, I wonder how Minardi have managed to stay in business when so many of the smaller teams I remember from ten years ago - Footwork, Simtek, Pacific, Larrousse, Lotus etc - have gone under. They've done remarkably well to keep themselves in the business.

I'd still like to see what Schumacher could do with one of their cars - and indeed what one of their drivers could do with Schumacher's Ferrari. It's make for an interesting day's racing if they swapped places for a weekend... :D
 
i reckon they should do that you know!!!!!

l2nd ast race of the season(just in case he decides to retire dont make it last) presuming schumacher has won the title he should be put in a manardi or if not one of the mid table cars like a jaguar or something.

be very very intresting. Good marketing for minardi and all.


dave
 
g force said:
Roadkill - It's a measure of the progress that in testing and at Sepang that Bruni managed to lap the Minardi on times that would have got him on the front 2 rows of the '03 grid!!

I really wish someone would give Minardi a load of cash and get them further up the grid. You have to admire their professionalism and dedication.

The alternative would be for Bernie to drop his ridiculous price for entering F1 - you have to pay a bond up front of around £40m I think and make some components standard (brakes, suspension) to try and cut costs. Then wwe might get a few more teams entering. In 1990 there were 19 teams trying to qualify for a GP like Simtek, Leyton House, Lola, Coloni (wuith the mighty Bertrand Gachot!!!), EuroBrun but the costs were prohibitive.

Getting some of those back might make it a bit more interesting so you had different cars in different races. Traditional chaissis developers liek Lola, Dallara, Reynard might then develop F1 spec chassis and let teams take custoemrs engines from other teams - Renault for example.

Also, whatever happened to Dan Gurney's US-only "Eagle" team? There were rumours he had some backing from Reynard after they pulled out from BAR and GM would supply the engine (badged as Chrysler so some such).
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Its amazing how few teams are in F1 these days. Promoters usually demand a minimum car count, something like 18 cars. Bernie better be careful or he will have to support a couple of teams to meet this requirement.

There was talk about Gurney fielding a F1 team for years, he would fuel speculation, commenting that a deal was just around the corner. But they could never get the millions required via sponsorship, and Reynard was not offering enough money.
 
Speculative rumours put Kimi at Ferrari in the future, 2007ish. He's not happy at McLaren's recent performance and JP Montoya as a team mate ain't his cup of tea.
 
mears said:
Its amazing how few teams are in F1 these days. Promoters usually demand a minimum car count, something like 18 cars. Bernie better be careful or he will have to support a couple of teams to meet this requirement.

There was talk about Gurney fielding a F1 team for years, he would fuel speculation, commenting that a deal was just around the corner. But they could never get the millions required via sponsorship, and Reynard was not offering enough money.
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Yep but it's amazing just over 10 years ago there were over 30 cars trying to qualify ot even get into a race! I guess with the way F1 is expanding into new countries it will take a wealthy businessman from India, China, Middle East to fund a team - setting one up would be hard though because of Bernie's ridiculous demands.

Mears - thanks for that - pretty much what i'd presumed.

I think Kimi is the obvious replacement for MS, unless a new italian wunderkid comes through. Alonso and Webber prolly won't go there unless there's $$$$$ involved because they're signed to Flavio.
 
brawn tapping kimi and letting him know just beacuse his car sucks at the minute he wont hold it agianst him when shumacheer retires and ferrai needa new driver.


dave
 
On the BAR rear wing, it would appear that the issue was the addition of angle to a part of the rear wing that usually doesn't/can't have an angle...Williams are responsible for raising the issue apparently...
 
the B said:
On the BAR rear wing, it would appear that the issue was the addition of angle to a part of the rear wing that usually doesn't/can't have an angle...Williams are responsible for raising the issue apparently...
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What a surprise...the humiliation was obviously too much for them. Would it really give them that much of an advantage? Can't imagine it's much speed wise, but maybe increased grip in corners??

On Kimi - I think it's clear he'll be the one to replace Schumacher, as there are very few drivers who could be number 1 at Ferrari. Maybe Alonso, but he has a contract with Flavio so will prolly stay with renault for the time being.
 
Williams getting revenge for BAR having Willis in the team?

More importantly "Mad" Max Mosely has announced changes to the Concorde agreement to allow a full grid of 24 cars from 2006. He's also recommened reduced running costs through standard components and reduced entrance fee to only $48m. Does he read U75 :eek:

So, this opens the way for 2 new teams to come in - now Dan Gurney has been in the shadows for a while but I think one of the teams will be Penske - They've already said they're looking into F1 and want to move away from IRL and this would be the perfect opportunity (maybe with Honda or Ford power?). Could take a few CART/IRL drivers with them - Scott Dixon, Bruno Junqueira etc

But who else? Maybe another manufactuer? VAG maybe - badged as either VW or Audi? Perhaps an F3000 team like Dallara, or an established sports team -someone like Joest?

Looks like things in F1 might be looking up so long as the poison dwarf and Dave "fingers" Richards don't try and line their own pockets even more!!
 
Concorde agreement needs to change to slow cars down...but also, more cars on track might be interesting (do we need more backmarkers to get blue flagged :confused: )
 
True, but if one is a big manufacturer they have until 2006 to get up and running. Okay Toyota aren't setting the world alight, but they're getting there very slowly.

It could open the way up for a pure chassis manufactuer, ie, Dallara, Lola, to come in, or even an existing manufacturer selling it's chassis to a new team. Penske had talks with Jordan a few years back but that came to nought.

Maybe Audi would enter using a Dallara chassis (badged as Audi) and let an experienced team like Joest run it. Either way the lowering of entry cost could spell good news for manufacturers who want to enter.

Whether they will or not remains to be seen, but it does smack of a realisation within the FIA that costs are getting out of hand which can only be a good thing.
 
Well done Button, hope BAR can keep the car developing this season and stop Mclaren from even gettting third spot! Mwah ha ha ha!
 
Well, second isn't so bad for Button - It's actually very good but somehow feels like a letdown following his pole position...

As for the track, it really shouldn't be on the F1 calander, no overtaking spots and generally not a thrilling placce to watch people go zzzZZZZOOOOOOOOoooommmmmm...
 
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