2004 F1 Championship
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g force
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1st pratice session:
1 Schumacher Ferrari 01:24.718
2 Barrichello Ferrari 01:24.826
3 Trulli Renault 01:25.757
4 Button BAR 01:25.786
5 Alonso Renault 01:25.853
6 Schumacher Williams 01:25.882
7 Montoya Williams 01:26.206
8 Coulthard McLaren 01:26.215
9 Webber Jaguar 01:26.312
10 Räikkönen McLaren 01:26.579
Okay so everyone's saving there engine's blah blah, but it's a new track record!!! Renault's are looking good as is Jenson
Blew Sato away!
Not looking good for Jordan though - some terrible times and beaten by Minardi!! Toyota also seem way off the pace, by more than I expected.
1 Schumacher Ferrari 01:24.718
2 Barrichello Ferrari 01:24.826
3 Trulli Renault 01:25.757
4 Button BAR 01:25.786
5 Alonso Renault 01:25.853
6 Schumacher Williams 01:25.882
7 Montoya Williams 01:26.206
8 Coulthard McLaren 01:26.215
9 Webber Jaguar 01:26.312
10 Räikkönen McLaren 01:26.579
Okay so everyone's saving there engine's blah blah, but it's a new track record!!! Renault's are looking good as is Jenson
Blew Sato away!Not looking good for Jordan though - some terrible times and beaten by Minardi!! Toyota also seem way off the pace, by more than I expected.
Ich bin ein Mod
does his make up in his room
Fuck me, a whole second quicker than the Renault! Gott in Himmel!
*starts humming italian national anthem* da da da da, da da da da, da da dada, da da da da ...
*starts humming italian national anthem* da da da da, da da da da, da da dada, da da da da ...
red rose
Fee-Ai-Esh-See-Oh
I changed my hours at work today so that Im no longer working sundays so now i can watch the european races. My supervisor said 'now these changes wont come into effect for 4 weeks is that going to be a problem?' I did a quick calculation of when the european races start and said 'nope that should be fine '
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Ah, well, there is a computer system/some blokes with pen and paper who will calculate when a blue flag situation is due to come up. They inform the team of blue flaggie - who must then move super early or be penalised by going into the pits, spinning around in a dizzy box for 10 seconds before getting back int he car and heading out of the pits making chicken sounds.
thelittlechef
Ale Drinker
cheers for keeping quiet guys....
But bloody hell that was crap! I've been waiting for months and the first race leaves me colder than a wet mackeral in a snow storm...
GGrrrr, I hate those bloody red things... I tell you, it's all down to the paint work, and that has to count as cheeting!
But bloody hell that was crap! I've been waiting for months and the first race leaves me colder than a wet mackeral in a snow storm...
GGrrrr, I hate those bloody red things... I tell you, it's all down to the paint work, and that has to count as cheeting!
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
Well that was pretty much what I expected - Ferrari winning and the new cars being pretty unspectacular. Thought there would be more retirements which meant it became a bit of bore later on.
Still think my prediction of Renault coming 2nd in the constructors will hold and the new car seems pretty quick and, thankfully, reliable.
Good work by Jenson too Thank god the Honda engine held out (i had my doubts). The BAR could be a a bit of a dark horse - people have slagged them for a whiel now, but that was more to do with it being JV's team, IMO. The car is good, but sadly Sato is bad. If that guy had a Ferrari he'd still contrive to qualify it 8th!
Button for Williams in 05!
Not sure about Minardi but think they'll last the season, but after that who knows.
But, it's clear that McLaren have a lot of work to do. That car looked so jittery I'm surprised they managed to get it round corners okay. And the less said about Toyota the better - how can a car be that bad when you've spent that much money on it.
Still think my prediction of Renault coming 2nd in the constructors will hold and the new car seems pretty quick and, thankfully, reliable.
Good work by Jenson too
Thank god the Honda engine held out (i had my doubts). The BAR could be a a bit of a dark horse - people have slagged them for a whiel now, but that was more to do with it being JV's team, IMO. The car is good, but sadly Sato is bad. If that guy had a Ferrari he'd still contrive to qualify it 8th!Button for Williams in 05!
Not sure about Minardi but think they'll last the season, but after that who knows.
But, it's clear that McLaren have a lot of work to do. That car looked so jittery I'm surprised they managed to get it round corners okay. And the less said about Toyota the better - how can a car be that bad when you've spent that much money on it.
Ich bin ein Mod
does his make up in his room
We rule, we rule, we rule, we rule!
the B said:
Well, no. That's not the point. The point is, they may or may not be the all-conquering dream machines they look like at Albert Park. Walking the Aussie GP isn't necessarily a sign that you're going to walk the rest of them, too.
Clutching at straws? Moi?
Ich bin ein Mod
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Well, we're not gonna walk the rest of them, the Bridgestones were more suited to the slightly cooler conditions and that undoubtedly helped.
But still, doing low 1:24s after 3 laps is pretty damm special
But still, doing low 1:24s after 3 laps is pretty damm special
Getting time in Albert Park isn't very much down to set up or horses, it's an established track so set up is usually quite well known and the biggest time gains on Albert Park are in the braking zones (Albert Park used to be devestating to brakes).
I wouldn't wait until Bahrain because a new track surface will have strange tyre degradation properties.
I wouldn't wait until Bahrain because a new track surface will have strange tyre degradation properties.
Ich bin ein Mod
does his make up in his room
God yeah remember the cloudes of brake dust you used to get? Was almost as bad as Monza.the B said:
Everybody bar Ferrari, Alonso and Button seemed to be sleeping on Sunday though.
g force
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It was pleased to see Massa back confirming what I always thought - he's a complete waste of space and a liability on the track! Sato apparently had car problems but he's a similar driver IMO.
Trulli would also have been further up but Sato hit him and bent the diffusor which gave him some *interesting* handling - not quite up to the McLaren standard but close!
The chassis is an evolution of last year - which can handle the twisty stuff like Hungary. If Renault can get a few extra hp and keep the reliablity McLaren and Williams will be playing serious catch-up!
Alos been hearing some interesting rumours regarding a certain Mr Villenueve coming back next year with all the team changes!!!!
Trulli would also have been further up but Sato hit him and bent the diffusor which gave him some *interesting* handling - not quite up to the McLaren standard but close!
The chassis is an evolution of last year - which can handle the twisty stuff like Hungary. If Renault can get a few extra hp and keep the reliablity McLaren and Williams will be playing serious catch-up!
Alos been hearing some interesting rumours regarding a certain Mr Villenueve coming back next year with all the team changes!!!!
The tedious procession that was this years Australian Grand Prix just demonstrates how predictable, how devoid of spectacle and how totally dominated by the big money F1 is. Modern open-wheel racing cars have far too much downforce which means precious little overtaking because as soon as you get too close to someone you start to take off; and the electronic driver aids that are permitted just increase the gap between a very few teams that can afford to exploit the tchnology to the full and the majority who can't. As a result, the outocme of most races is pretty predictable. Most of the grand old circuits were neutered in the wake of Senna's death ten years ago - instead of slowing the cars down to reduce the risks they altered the circuits - so much of the spectacle is gone. Personally, I also find the slick, media-orientated F1 show a big turn-off too. No matter what country you're in F1 always looks the same.
F1's been a waste of time for as long as I can remember, I just don't see the appeal. If you want exciting motorsport, what, tf, is wrong with touring car racing? It might be slower, but at least they actually overtake and do some strange thing called "close racing" that F1 forgot how to do fifteen years ago!
If you want really interesting motorsport (i.e. not just cars whizzing round and round a track), what's wrong with rallying? Sure, the World Rallying's all commercial and homogenised and sanitised too these days, and much of the character of individual events has been lost, but even so, at least you can tell which country they're racing in, and the cars don't all look identical apart from the sponsors' logos. The top-level rally driver is IMO a more complete driver than any F1 monkey anyway, because they have to win on tarmac, gravel or snow, and the events go on for three days at a time, not just a couple of hours. Better still, if you get outside the media-friendly, packaged motorsport that we're all surfeited with these days, the British amateur rallying scene offers a bewildering variety of events, championships and interesting characters. And the cars - below International level you can rally anything that meets the safety regs, hence the continuing popularity of the Metro 6R4, and the proliferation of mad home-built specials like Andy Burton's awesome Peugeot Cosworth and David Kynaston's mid-engined Audi. And with a bit of effort (and preparedness to drive to a remote forest and stand there for hours in the freezing cold
) it's the best free spectacle going. Pay £50 to watch a few prima donnas whizz round Silverstone for a couple of hours, or pay nothing to watch Andy Burton's Peugeot Cosworth howling down the long straights of Dalby Forest at 130mph? I know which I'd rather do...
It's ten times better than F1 knows how to be. Now, if only the British National Rally Championship were on terrestrial TV...
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F1's been a waste of time for as long as I can remember, I just don't see the appeal. If you want exciting motorsport, what, tf, is wrong with touring car racing? It might be slower, but at least they actually overtake and do some strange thing called "close racing" that F1 forgot how to do fifteen years ago!
If you want really interesting motorsport (i.e. not just cars whizzing round and round a track), what's wrong with rallying? Sure, the World Rallying's all commercial and homogenised and sanitised too these days, and much of the character of individual events has been lost, but even so, at least you can tell which country they're racing in, and the cars don't all look identical apart from the sponsors' logos. The top-level rally driver is IMO a more complete driver than any F1 monkey anyway, because they have to win on tarmac, gravel or snow, and the events go on for three days at a time, not just a couple of hours. Better still, if you get outside the media-friendly, packaged motorsport that we're all surfeited with these days, the British amateur rallying scene offers a bewildering variety of events, championships and interesting characters. And the cars - below International level you can rally anything that meets the safety regs, hence the continuing popularity of the Metro 6R4, and the proliferation of mad home-built specials like Andy Burton's awesome Peugeot Cosworth and David Kynaston's mid-engined Audi. And with a bit of effort (and preparedness to drive to a remote forest and stand there for hours in the freezing cold
) it's the best free spectacle going. Pay £50 to watch a few prima donnas whizz round Silverstone for a couple of hours, or pay nothing to watch Andy Burton's Peugeot Cosworth howling down the long straights of Dalby Forest at 130mph? I know which I'd rather do...It's ten times better than F1 knows how to be. Now, if only the British National Rally Championship were on terrestrial TV...
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g force
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Sadly thanks to "Mad" Max and Dave "fingers in too many pies" Richards the WRC is going the way of F1 and will soon become shite santised rubbish as well - I mean - re-entering a car thast retired? FFS 
The BRC hasn't been good since the kit car days of Higgins and Laukkanen in the Megane's, so I doubt it will get much coverage.
F1 could be a lot better if they clamped down on technical aids, but banning them is one thing, enforcing the rule another.
For example - "lauch control" is now banned, yet I can't be the only one who saw the start at the weekend by the Renault's to think there's some sort of system in place.
FIA Reg 59 states: "The driver must drive the car alone and unaided." Well what does that mean exactly?
There are three ways of controlling wheelspin via throttle inputs, fuel supply and ignition - The ban clearly covers the first but there's nothing to stop a team having a device to control the others, similar to the clutch used on drag racers.
The best way forward for F1 would be to ban all electronic aids for throttle or clutch control but then teams will always find a way round that.
The BRC hasn't been good since the kit car days of Higgins and Laukkanen in the Megane's, so I doubt it will get much coverage.F1 could be a lot better if they clamped down on technical aids, but banning them is one thing, enforcing the rule another.
For example - "lauch control" is now banned, yet I can't be the only one who saw the start at the weekend by the Renault's to think there's some sort of system in place.
FIA Reg 59 states: "The driver must drive the car alone and unaided." Well what does that mean exactly?
There are three ways of controlling wheelspin via throttle inputs, fuel supply and ignition - The ban clearly covers the first but there's nothing to stop a team having a device to control the others, similar to the clutch used on drag racers.
The best way forward for F1 would be to ban all electronic aids for throttle or clutch control but then teams will always find a way round that.
