2004 F1 Championship
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Ich bin ein Mod
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I was giving them the benefit of the doubt about Schumi.
But there was never gonna be any doubt about Ferrari winning.
Whoever you are, non-ferrari voter, you're a fool!
But there was never gonna be any doubt about Ferrari winning.
Whoever you are, non-ferrari voter, you're a fool!
the B said:Think that vote was made before the season started. Think they might be wrong though
As for the 7 who thought Michael wouldn't win
aren't schumachers and the whole ferrari dream team ; todt, brawn, the designer (byrne is it?) and all their associated cronies contracts up at the end of 2004 ?
if i were ms and i'd just won #7 and #5 in a row i'd give retirement a serious thought.
g force
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Webber would be good, but he might be earmarked for Renault (Flavio being his manager 'n all) presuming they don't keep Trulli for '06. Personally if they can't get Mark i'd go for 2 from; Fisichella, Davidson, Heidfeld, or Button.
The only teams who seem to be sorted driver wise are Ferrari and McLaren. Everyone else is liely to chnage drivers, with the possible exception of Renault.
Now you assume DC will go to either Jag or Toyota and Ralf seems likely to be Toyota bound. Everything else is kinda up in the air which is why so many rumours are flying - it's been a while since a top seat been up for grabs and a lot of people want the Williams drive.
Either way it's all palying into Ferrari's hands who have the best car, team spirit, and settled drivers
The only teams who seem to be sorted driver wise are Ferrari and McLaren. Everyone else is liely to chnage drivers, with the possible exception of Renault.
Now you assume DC will go to either Jag or Toyota and Ralf seems likely to be Toyota bound. Everything else is kinda up in the air which is why so many rumours are flying - it's been a while since a top seat been up for grabs and a lot of people want the Williams drive.
Either way it's all palying into Ferrari's hands who have the best car, team spirit, and settled drivers
Coulthard makes excuses for why BAR are doing so much better - and this time, it's not completely unbelievable 
He argues that BAR getting to run a third car (which will not incur a penalty should the engine fail/need replacing) is too much of an advantage.
http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040513/23/3stw.html
He argues that BAR getting to run a third car (which will not incur a penalty should the engine fail/need replacing) is too much of an advantage.http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040513/23/3stw.html
Ich bin ein Mod
does his make up in his room
Yet again Coulthard would have been better off worrying about his own failings rather than moan about what other teams are doing. The rule was brought in to shake things up a little, and it has done with Renault using it to good advantage last year and BAR doing the same this year.
BAR doing much better has no effect on the fact that Coulthard is shit, the Mclaren (which was in development all last year ffs!) is shit and DC and Ron Dennis are two of the biggest tossers in Formula 1.
How DC has kept his drive with Mclaren for so long is beyond me. For a driver to only have been with two top teams his whole career and never even look like challenging for the title is shocking.
BAR doing much better has no effect on the fact that Coulthard is shit, the Mclaren (which was in development all last year ffs!) is shit and DC and Ron Dennis are two of the biggest tossers in Formula 1.
How DC has kept his drive with Mclaren for so long is beyond me. For a driver to only have been with two top teams his whole career and never even look like challenging for the title is shocking.
Ich bin ein Mod
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Statistics are like mini-skirts, they go up and down but hide the most important thing ((c) Ebbe Skovdahl)
g force
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So possiblity of rain during second qualy session!? Superb - Fishchella for pole!!!
Seriously, that would be great having a surprise pole thanks to the weather - kinda like Rubesn in the Stewart at Spa a few years back.
Oh and the quote - i'm guessing it has to be good ol "360" Massa!!!
Seriously, that would be great having a surprise pole thanks to the weather - kinda like Rubesn in the Stewart at Spa a few years back.
Oh and the quote - i'm guessing it has to be good ol "360" Massa!!!
g force
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Holy Jesus Fisi's just gone round in 1:18.441.
@#/%$&^& that Davidson's just done 1:17.91!!!!!!!! Somebody give him a drive!
Webber's engine has blown up by the looks of it. Not good news and there's soem mighty big black clouds over the course. Ahhh the joy of a decent internet connection at work!
@#/%$&^& that Davidson's just done 1:17.91!!!!!!!!
Somebody give him a drive!Webber's engine has blown up by the looks of it. Not good news and there's soem mighty big black clouds over the course. Ahhh the joy of a decent internet connection at work!
The quote is Massa
Davidson's BAR is significantly better than the others by the way...I really wouldn't read into his times - the reason it's better is because the engine can be run with significantly more grunt (since it isn't a problem as such if it blows up - he's not going to lose 10 grid places anyway).
Friday
A good start to the weekend, with plenty of sunshine. Clear blue sky to begin with, turning intermittent during the afternoon as patchy fair weather cloud builds across the area. Just a very small risk of a late afternoon shower cropping up, but it should remain dry for the F1 sessions. Temperatures peaking at 24C / 76F with light breezes.
Saturday
A slightly different day as more cloud will have ventured into the region. Dry and bright during the morning, with some sunny intervals, but, by midday, cloud will be building enough to start producing moderate rain showers. The afternoon is at moderate to high risk of rain showers, so a fair chance these will affect main qualifying. Still relatively warm at 22C / 72F, but a noticeably stronger wind.
Sunday
A rather cloudy start, with a fair few showers scattered across the region. These will tend to push westwards during the morning, clearing by midday to leave a brighter, perhaps sunnier, afternoon. Early strong winds easing by midday and afternoon. Feeling cooler after the passage of those showers, with maximum temperatures at 19C / 66F.
No wet race for Monaco now
Davidson's BAR is significantly better than the others by the way...I really wouldn't read into his times - the reason it's better is because the engine can be run with significantly more grunt (since it isn't a problem as such if it blows up - he's not going to lose 10 grid places anyway).
Friday
A good start to the weekend, with plenty of sunshine. Clear blue sky to begin with, turning intermittent during the afternoon as patchy fair weather cloud builds across the area. Just a very small risk of a late afternoon shower cropping up, but it should remain dry for the F1 sessions. Temperatures peaking at 24C / 76F with light breezes.
Saturday
A slightly different day as more cloud will have ventured into the region. Dry and bright during the morning, with some sunny intervals, but, by midday, cloud will be building enough to start producing moderate rain showers. The afternoon is at moderate to high risk of rain showers, so a fair chance these will affect main qualifying. Still relatively warm at 22C / 72F, but a noticeably stronger wind.
Sunday
A rather cloudy start, with a fair few showers scattered across the region. These will tend to push westwards during the morning, clearing by midday to leave a brighter, perhaps sunnier, afternoon. Early strong winds easing by midday and afternoon. Feeling cooler after the passage of those showers, with maximum temperatures at 19C / 66F.
No wet race for Monaco now
g force
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Oh Wet/dry mix qulay coudl still produce an interesting grid though, just be nice for a change.
Ah good, had to Mass the crash really didn't it!
Nice work from BAR again! Seeing as pole was in the 1:15s last year so I guess in the dry mid-to-late 14s is possible - the track is clearly not that quick at the moment, and with changeable weather it looks like Ferrari and BAR have the upper hand
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'16"502 157.172 Km/h 14
2. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'17"279 + 0'00"777 23
3. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'17"339 + 0'00"837 19
4. 38 ZONTA Toyota M 1'17"426 + 0'00"924 28
5. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'17"524 + 0'01"022 15
6. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'17"686 + 0'01"184 22
7. 35 DAVIDSON BAR Honda M 1'17"791 + 0'01"289 36
8. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'17"856 + 0'01"354 24
9. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'17"937 + 0'01"435 16
10. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'17"952 + 0'01"450 18
11. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'18"338 + 0'01"836 16
12. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'18"621 + 0'02"119 14
13. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'18"889 + 0'02"387 22
14. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'19"218 + 0'02"716 17
15. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'19"261 + 0'02"759 8
16. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'19"335 + 0'02"833 16
17. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'19"487 + 0'02"985 29
18. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'20"528 + 0'04"026 18
19. 39 GLOCK Jordan Ford B 1'20"534 + 0'04"032 15
20. 37 WIRDHEIM Jaguar Cosworth M 1'20"680 + 0'04"178 18
21. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'21"141 + 0'04"639 17
22. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'21"201 + 0'04"699 27
23. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"203 + 0'05"701 18
24. 40 LEINDERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'23"361 + 0'06"859 12
Wet/dry mix qulay coudl still produce an interesting grid though, just be nice for a change.Ah good, had to Mass the crash really didn't it!
Nice work from BAR again! Seeing as pole was in the 1:15s last year so I guess in the dry mid-to-late 14s is possible - the track is clearly not that quick at the moment, and with changeable weather it looks like Ferrari and BAR have the upper hand
1. 1 M.SCHUMACHER Ferrari B 1'16"502 157.172 Km/h 14
2. 10 SATO BAR Honda M 1'17"279 + 0'00"777 23
3. 9 BUTTON BAR Honda M 1'17"339 + 0'00"837 19
4. 38 ZONTA Toyota M 1'17"426 + 0'00"924 28
5. 5 COULTHARD McLaren Mercedes M 1'17"524 + 0'01"022 15
6. 8 ALONSO Renault M 1'17"686 + 0'01"184 22
7. 35 DAVIDSON BAR Honda M 1'17"791 + 0'01"289 36
8. 7 TRULLI Renault M 1'17"856 + 0'01"354 24
9. 3 MONTOYA Williams BMW M 1'17"937 + 0'01"435 16
10. 6 RAIKKONEN McLaren Mercedes M 1'17"952 + 0'01"450 18
11. 11 FISICHELLA Sauber Petronas B 1'18"338 + 0'01"836 16
12. 2 BARRICHELLO Ferrari B 1'18"621 + 0'02"119 14
13. 16 DA MATTA Toyota M 1'18"889 + 0'02"387 22
14. 17 PANIS Toyota M 1'19"218 + 0'02"716 17
15. 14 WEBBER Jaguar Cosworth M 1'19"261 + 0'02"759 8
16. 12 MASSA Sauber Petronas B 1'19"335 + 0'02"833 16
17. 15 KLIEN Jaguar Cosworth M 1'19"487 + 0'02"985 29
18. 19 PANTANO Jordan Ford B 1'20"528 + 0'04"026 18
19. 39 GLOCK Jordan Ford B 1'20"534 + 0'04"032 15
20. 37 WIRDHEIM Jaguar Cosworth M 1'20"680 + 0'04"178 18
21. 18 HEIDFELD Jordan Ford B 1'21"141 + 0'04"639 17
22. 20 BRUNI Minardi Cosworth B 1'21"201 + 0'04"699 27
23. 21 BAUMGARTNER Minardi Cosworth B 1'22"203 + 0'05"701 18
24. 40 LEINDERS Minardi Cosworth B 1'23"361 + 0'06"859 12
Thursday Session 2 times: http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040520/23/3xoc.html
M Schumacher top with the only sub 1:15.000 time.
Davidson behind, then Barichello. Very tight behind M Schumacher.
Looks like Webber will be ten places down if that engine isn't fixed soon (had a fire).
M Schumacher top with the only sub 1:15.000 time.
Davidson behind, then Barichello. Very tight behind M Schumacher.
Looks like Webber will be ten places down if that engine isn't fixed soon (had a fire).
g force
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Not a surprise - good that Trulli and the BAR's are up there could make things interesting if it stays like that will the Renault's starting ability. I expect MS to be on pole in the mid-14s, early 13s depending on weather with Renault & BAR fighting it out.
Kimi was apparently on light fuel for his time which doesn't bode well for the GP. DC nowhere as usual.
Kimi was apparently on light fuel for his time which doesn't bode well for the GP. DC nowhere as usual.
g force
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Ralf had engine replaced so gets 10 place penalty..."from bad to worse" springs to mind. Unsure about Webber but it doesn't look good the car was smoking heavily
Renault can hold a fair bit of fuel and the car can handle - all they'd need to do it be 2nd or 4th and Trulli/Alonso are well in with a shout at turn 1. Well, i'm hoping at least - just anything other than a Ferraro leading for a change.
Renault can hold a fair bit of fuel and the car can handle - all they'd need to do it be 2nd or 4th and Trulli/Alonso are well in with a shout at turn 1. Well, i'm hoping at least - just anything other than a Ferraro leading for a change.
thelittlechef
Ale Drinker
g force said:Holy Jesus Fisi's just gone round in 1:18.441.
@#/%$&^& that Davidson's just done 1:17.91!!!!!!!!
Webber's engine has blown up by the looks of it. Not good news and there's soem mighty big black clouds over the course. Ahhh the joy of a decent internet connection at work!
Where can you watch practice over the net? Please tell me... Pretty please!
Latest practice times: http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040522/23/3yuj.html
Very very very close at the sharp end.
Very very very close at the sharp end.
Seesion 2 of Qualifying for Monaco
Trulli
Button
Alonso
M Schumacher
Raikkonen
Barrichello
Sato
Coulthard
Montoya
Fisichella
Webber
R Schumacher had the second fastest time but starts 12th after changing engine.
(the rest)
Not so bothered by the Renaults, suspect Alonso will jump Button on the start.
M Schumacher can still win it.
F1 ITV's Button obssession is pissing me off to no end.
Trulli
Button
Alonso
M Schumacher
Raikkonen
Barrichello
Sato
Coulthard
Montoya
Fisichella
Webber
R Schumacher had the second fastest time but starts 12th after changing engine.
(the rest)
Not so bothered by the Renaults, suspect Alonso will jump Button on the start.
M Schumacher can still win it.
F1 ITV's Button obssession is pissing me off to no end.
Ich bin ein Mod
does his make up in his room
Yeah, but it's the way they go so over the top on him, like they did with Hill that makes you end up hating the guy through no fault of his owntom k&e said:
red rose
Fee-Ai-Esh-See-Oh
tom k&e said:
I've never understood that, just because he's british shouldnt mean he gets that much more coverage. I mean, fair enough his home nation are likely to want to pay him a bit more attention but they really do go overboard.
Panis has made a mess of the start.
edit: twice
