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14th November Movement for Left Unity

butchersapron said:
Who does that entail then? Bongo bongo land is the equivalent of british jobs for british workers. What did you do? Nothing. Did you make a move? No? Did you redign in disgust -no? You're going to give other people lessons?
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What opposition have you seen to the "bongo bongo land" rhetoric from within UKIP, other than a belated apology from Nige when it was getting them a bit of flak from the media and stopping him getting his more subtle racism across?

We certainly did criticise Brown's "british jobs for british workers" bollocks, because that was alien to the best traditions of the British labour movement.
 
This person has no idea of social reality. Therefore no political reality. Their bubblesation is due to their work - it was licking lib-dems arses, now it's all i may get selected at as a losing candidate i n the labour bubble. It's all bubble shit. You reek articul8. I mean really fucking stink.
 
articul8 said:
What opposition have you seen to the "bongo bongo land" rhetoric from within UKIP, other than a belated apology from Nige when it was getting them a bit of flak from the media and stopping him getting his more subtle racism across?

We certainly did criticise Brown's "british jobs for british workers" bollocks, because that was alien to the best traditions of the British labour movement.
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We? Fuck off. You mean nothing. You have a party who put forward those arguments and you meant nothing. Zero.
 
articul8 said:
What opposition have you seen to the "bongo bongo land" rhetoric from within UKIP, other than a belated apology from Nige when it was getting them a bit of flak from the media and stopping him getting his more subtle racism across?

We certainly did criticise Brown's "british jobs for british workers" bollocks, because that was alien to the best traditions of the British labour movement.
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And expelling him. What did you manage to do?
 
butchersapron said:
This person has no idea of social reality.
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UKIP will do very well at the Euro elections, but when the debate all focuses down on who you want (or would hate least) in government they will start to fade again - perhaps Falange himself might get a seat, and the odd celeb if they stand one. But the idea that they are about to carry off mass w/c support is a delusion, and it's those arguing it's likely are cut adrift frm reality.
 
articul8 said:
UKIP will do very well at the Euro elections, but when the debate all focuses down on who you want (or would hate least) in government they will start to fade again - perhaps Falange himself might get a seat, and the odd celeb if they stand one. But the idea that they are about to carry off mass w/c support is a delusion, and it's those arguing it's likely are cut adrift frm reality.
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Who presented such a scenario?
 
UKIP has more w/c support than Labour, is more open to w/c influence, is less immediately in the pocket of capital etc. etc. It has a measure of support, which is currently growing, but the foregoing bollocks is just that. (incidentally if you think I kissed lib dem arse your mind is playing tricks on you).
 
articul8 said:
UKIP has more w/c support than Labour, is more open to w/c influence, is less immediately in the pocket of capital etc. etc. It has a measure of support, which is currently growing, but the foregoing bollocks is just that. (incidentally if you think I kissed lib dem arse your mind is playing tricks on you).
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Someone's mind is.
 
articul8 said:
UKIP has more w/c support than Labour, is more open to w/c influence, is less immediately in the pocket of capital etc. etc. It has a measure of support, which is currently growing, but the foregoing bollocks is just that. (incidentally if you think I kissed lib dem arse your mind is playing tricks on you).
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you've been out in the sun too long
 
chilango said:
Also, in case anyone has missed the subtleties here, my somewhat tongue in cheek suggestion that articul8 should join UKIP is really not an endorsement of UKIP :D Far from it.
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In fact, at the risk of dragging things back towards the topic, I brought UKIP in as articul8 's main sticks to beat Left Unity with, and thus to defend his Labour Party activism, were iirc:

  1. The Labour Left can influence the wider Party
  2. Labour are a Party that can stop the Tories (and Lib Dems) from winning elections
Pressed for clarification there was some waffle about 1945 too though in fairness.
 
butchersapron said:
Short course: you are in such a labour bubble you can't see the real world anymore.
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You're a broken record. You were calling articul8 this when I joined and for god knows how many years before.

If I were to go to North Korea for several years and come back, after having no contact with the outside world, I'd bet my life you and him would be having the same argument calling each other the same names and in the process going fucking nowhere fast however many years later.
 
Delroy Booth said:
You're a broken record. You were calling articul8 this when I joined and for god knows how many years before.

If I were to go to North Korea for several years and come back, after having no contact with the outside world, I'd bet my life you and him would be having the same argument calling each other the same names and in the process going fucking nowhere fast however many years later.
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And I bet you'd still be making lonely pilgrimages to monuments to dead luddites you loon
 
Funny how specialist bourgeois academic commentators on the far right don't exist in a bubble when their arguments suit your purpose.
 
it is part of unite, an affiliate to Labour. That is a fact not a claim. (yes it includes non party members and members of other parties - it is one of very few examples of any dynamic which might generate scope for an alternative to Labour in time).
 
articul8 said:
it is part of unite, an affiliate to Labour. That is a fact not a claim. (yes it includes non party members and members of other parties - it is one of very few examples of any dynamic which might generate scope for an alternative to Labour in time).
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You're fucking desperate. Its members are almost universally hostile to the labour party in every single region where it exists as a real organisation rather than just a couple of Elly Mae type fulltimers droning on about UKuncut umbrellas. And labour and unite want to be very fucking careful with this kind of shit because it wouldn't take much more Mcluskey collaboration for us to tell unite to get to fuck and either find better backers (I dare say a couple of the smaller but better unions wouldn't mind the kudos and support for industrial actions they'd get from us) or go it alone. We get fuck all resources from Unite apart from the odd bit of printing and one decent fulltimer who's spread so thinly across the whole of yorkshire and the north east that he can't do much of use so what's to lose? Then your tenuous 'they're members of a section of a union that's affiliated to labour and therefore we can enclose them - call them ours' bullshit wouldn't even have the tenuous basis in fact it has now.

IME people join Unite Community consciously in opposition to labour - as a means of opposing what labour are doing to them and damaging that party. Quit this dishonest shit now.
 
articul8 said:
it is part of unite, an affiliate to Labour. That is a fact not a claim. (yes it includes non party members and members of other parties - it is one of very few examples of any dynamic which might generate scope for an alternative to Labour in time).
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What about this idea of a "trade union party" within Labour along the lines of the co-op party is that idea still being floated around?

Notice Len had a meeting with the press today talking, big story on the bbc (not elsewhere). Your thoughts?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26832994
 
Heard this before from Lenny but where was he when it came to resisting Collins? That sets a very bad precedent
 
articul8 said:
Heard this before from Lenny but where was he when it came to resisting Collins? That sets a very bad precedent
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Your own claim is that the unions represent the working class - and so pressuring the unions leaders to pressure the labour leaders in this pointless merryground means that the w/c are directly represented by the labour party. It's nonsense. Drivel.
 
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