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The Nazis - left wing or right wing?

In Bloom

Joyless and full of hate
So another thread doesn't get derailed :)

The 25 point program of the NSDAP (Source)
1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.

4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.

5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.

6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.

7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations

8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery.

12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
Basically, racist (especially anti-semitic), anti-immigration, anti-Versailles and pro-middle class ("We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation"), classic hallmarks of the interwar German right. The NSDAP itself formed out of a tiny right wing party called the DAP (German Worker's party). That's not to say that Hitler didn't have some left wing policies thrown in, but you definately couldn't classify the Nazis as essentially left wing, from reading the 25 points.
 
But come on, they were the National-Satanist Deutscher Arbeitspartei - so the must be Satanists!

* Some paraphrasing of far-right US ideology may have occurred in this posting *
 
laptop said:
But come on, they were the National-Satanist Deutscher Arbeitspartei - so the must be Satanists!

* Some paraphrasing of far-right US ideology may have occurred in this posting *
:D

I dread the day when some bright spark within the US right millieu notices that the Bolsheviks were a split from the Social Democrats ;)
 
In Bloom said:
I dread the day when some bright spark within the US right millieu notices that the Bolsheviks were a split from the Social Democrats ;)

You think they haven't?

"When we say 'defending "democracy",' we mean defending the Amerikkkan Way. From 'democracy', where necessary."


Damn, I was sure I could get the quotes nested four deep...
 
In Bloom said:
So another thread doesn't get derailed :)


Basically, racist (especially anti-semitic), anti-immigration, anti-Versailles and pro-middle class ("We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation"), classic hallmarks of the interwar German right. The NSDAP itself formed out of a tiny right wing party called the DAP (German Worker's party). That's not to say that Hitler didn't have some left wing policies thrown in, but you definately couldn't classify the Nazis as essentially left wing, from reading the 25 points.

Go get sorry.

AT least he knew enough to argue the details.

Didn't do him any good thou.......... :D
 
Hated the communists (dealt with them first), and brought to power by conservatives. Total leftie in other words.
 
Hitler distributed that Road To Resurgence thing to capitalists to reassure them that he wouldn't touch them or their precious things.
 
It's a wierd mix. Racism, nationalism, nationalised major industries, support for small buisness owners and middle classes, national health service, anti landlords, expansion of welfare......

All you can really say about that document is that it is populist. it's pertaining to be everything for everybody.
 
fishfingerer said:
Hitler distributed that Road To Resurgence thing to capitalists to reassure them that he wouldn't touch them or their precious things.

His "reassurances" were in secret. The public and his leftwing base knew nothing about them.

And stalin made his own "deals" at the time, as well.

It just shows both of them were realists.
 
coastloop said:
I got to number 6 and felt violently sick so couldn't read on

Thats one of the best arguments for him being a lefty.

They were different then.

They liked eugenics and were concerend about the purity of "their" race. A feared having to many unskilled workers.

In the early years of the twentieth century, the political left was a strong supporter of eugenics, birth control, and forced sterilization. In this topic, they explain in their own words the close connection between their beliefs and the need for government to control who has children.

Liberalism, socialism and communism promised to take care of everyone, irrespective of their ability to work, along with their children. (Marxism had the slogan, "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs.") That raised a distinct possibility that, once it gained power, their government would be overwhelmed not merely by too great a quantity of people (Malthus), but all by too many people of too low a quality to be useful to society (the eugenic application of Darwin). Their ideal society would be swamped by millions who would live off others and do little more than breed yet more people as incompetent as themselves. The result would be a eugenic disaster as terrible as any in the warnings of Malthus. In their advocacy of eugenics, birth control and sterilization, that disaster was what those on the left were trying to prevent.

http://www.inklingbooks.com/inklinguniversity/C567674158/E858512063/
 
Jo/Joe said:
Hated the communists (dealt with them first), and brought to power by conservatives. Total leftie in other words.

Yes he did recive help form the right.

In secret.

If he and his part was right wing, they would have been open with their support.
 
I demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of the USA, and colonization for our media organisations.
 
toggle said:
It's a wierd mix. Racism, nationalism, nationalised major industries, support for small buisness owners and middle classes, national health service, anti landlords, expansion of welfare......

All you can really say about that document is that it is populist. it's pertaining to be everything for everybody.
Exactly, populist, not specifically right or left. What pbman fails to grasp is that Hitler's secret to sucess was his mass appeal. If you only look at one side (e.g. his promises to the middle classes or his promise of a National Health Service) then you don't have a complete picture.
 
Change the word pertaining to pretending and you'd be pretty much spot on. But for those thinking that Hitler, once in power didn't have his policies determind by the level and form of w/c reaction, and that he simply imposed a right wing big business policy that was agreed on by them really need to read some Tim Mason,Sohn rethel or Daniel Guerin.
 
In Bloom said:
Exactly, populist, not specifically right or left. What pbman fails to grasp is that Hitler's secret to sucess was his mass appeal. If you only look at one side (e.g. his promises to the middle classes or his promise of a National Health Service) then you don't have a complete picture.

Don't be silly.

Who do you think said this?


"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry".
 
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