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This to me suggests some fairly extreme territorial marking.

Is there any way you could make some space that Misty has for her own which Kizzy doesn't get access to?

Her confidence may improve markedly once she has a corner, even a cat cave to call her own.

Thanks, the issue with that is that they would be stuck in the same room and have to have food water and litter tray in there, and also worried that she would feel like she's being punished and confined to one room

or is it she does not feel safe getting to the litter tray if it's on, or means passing through, kizzy's territory?

would being confined to one room be better than hiding under the bath most of the time?

did you adopt them as two cats who were supposed to be adoptable as two friends / siblings? or two random cats?

ultimately some cats do not get on well with other cats in general, or with specific other cats (much the same as people, really) and i'm starting to wonder if having these two living together is really the right answer

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Thanks
It was Kizzy who was hiding under the bath and doesn't hide anywhere now
Misty is hiding under a futon in front room, Kizzy hangs out in that room too
They are apparently sisters who came from neglect :(
Kizzy is getting more and more confident, boisterous and vocal by the day
They have been fine with each other a few times and were apparently together at the shelter.
We might try having Misty upstairs and close door to downstairs but don't really want her hiding under the bed or have the smelly cat food upstairs either
 
Well the anti-inflammatory jab that the vet gave him has enabled Jakey to get onto the desk chair this evening without any problem (he hasn't been able to jump onto it for a few days but is happily snoozing there now) so at least we can be fairly sure that whatever was wrong is not something more sinister (circulatory/kidney/neurological issues for example).

Vet's first reaction before examining him was "he's old, he has arthritis, it happens to us all" until I explained that he had been happily charging around in pursuit of mice and tramplolining off the furniture at the beginning of the week and this had happened suddenly. (It is still possible of course that it could be arthritis, I mean with these things there is always one point when you are fine and then you cross a line into not being fine any more iykwim, but we'll see how it goes).
 
Thanks, the issue with that is that they would be stuck in the same room and have to have food water and litter tray in there, and also worried that she would feel like she's being punished and confined to one room
Could try it the other way but not sure Kizzy would have it being confined to one room, especially as now in and out of the house

I'm wondering because with my two, even after they started getting out, whilst the black and white cat became the mainly outdoor cat, what really helped her was having a cat cave indoors that was all her own - they could share everything else with few problems - food bowls/water, litter box, beds in the greenhouse/living room but that cat cave in my bedroom was hers and hers alone - woe-betide the tabby if she dared to go anywhere near it! Once she had that little bit of space, her confidence and sociability grew no-end - even if she didn't use it for months at a time in the summer.

After quite some years, the day I realised it was in such a state and the fabric was beginning to fail, so I took that cat cave out to dispose of it was major trauma for her though - I had planned to get rid of it but her reaction was such that I just cleaned it up and put it back for another year or so, before finding a replacement that she thankfully took-to no bother for her remaining years.

I also positioned the entrance so that she had to get to it by going under a low table, so she was completely protected in there.
 
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Not been able to get hold of Misty to do a flea treatment yet, no complaint from Kizzy when we did hers thankfully
 
Foxes waiting for me to chuck out food for them. I feed them daily just past 10pm

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Busy feeding them and then noticed Miko sat on the wall, waiting for his food:

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Blumin heck you've got 6 foxes. Haven't seen one around where I live in the 15 years I've lived here but do remember a regular visitor around the Oldham area I previously lived at.
 
I sympathise! I went out for a walk today but had to come back because it was so hot I was panting like a dog. So tired. Our Lilith's OK though, she lies under Tim's bed, which is cool and shady for her.

Yeah I do not do well in this heat, I went to the shops at around lunchtime and felt like I was going to pass out. So hot in here too, sympathising with Kizzy 100% right now!

Also not getting much in the way of cuddles/lap time tonight either - we're all sort of within touching distance but it's too hot for the usual where they all pile on my lap.
 
:) at you having a queue of foxes

have they got a source of water? (which reminds me - i might suggest to mum-tat that she puts a water dish out for her resident foxes. she doesn't want to encourage them by feeding them, but i guess keeping them healthy is better than the alternative...

I was thinking about this. I don't know, tbh. I could fill a plastic container with water and leave it outside before I chuck the food out.
 
:) at you having a queue of foxes

have they got a source of water? (which reminds me - i might suggest to mum-tat that she puts a water dish out for her resident foxes. she doesn't want to encourage them by feeding them, but i guess keeping them healthy is better than the alternative...

So, I put out a tupperware of filled with water. One finally notices it. Picks it up, tipping the water all out and walks away with the tupperware.


Draco with two foxes waiting for their food

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Lil’ Bob’s just come in from the garden making some rather pathetic noises as he’s just too darn hot. I’ve given him some cat pate and some fresh catnip - the latter is so much stronger than the dried stuff. After going berserk for 5 mins, he’s found refuge on the landing and is currently sat on top of my PA speakers looking grumpy.

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Excitement last night as Missy twice came tearing in through the cat flap with a mouse in her mouth. She briefly dropped it once and it didn't run off, so I presume it was dead. As a good housemate she took it outside and did fuck knows what with it.
 
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