Yes or No -AV referendum May 2011

[butchersapron]

you really wouldn't like the answer.

You're not even any good at this when you're drunk!

 

[butchersapron]

for whom does it do good things?

Clue's in the name.

 

[articul8]

NAMBLA

fuck off - your lot as it goes

 

[Proper Tidy]

fuck off - your lot as it goes

IMT

 

[articul8]

Clue's in the name.

You are really claiming that there is no fundamental class difference between the origins of the Tory party and the foundation of Labour

 

[frogwoman]

Weren't the tories founded by cattle stealers?

 

[butchersapron]

You are really claiming that there is no fundamental class difference between the origins of the Tory party and the foundation of Labour

It used to be that you couldn't follow your own arguments from day to day - you can't seen to follow them minute to any more.

 

[Belushi]

Weren't the tories founded by cattle stealers?

No, but they were named after them.

 

[articul8]

you ARE really saying that?

 

[articul8]

IMT

No - they are Trots pickled in Labourism. Your lot are Trots still-born without the formaldehyde.

 

[Proper Tidy]

No - they are Trots pickled in Labourism.

Just your cup of tea.

 

[articul8]

No recognising the debilitating effect of Labourism on the British left does not mean you can just bypass it or pretend it's not there - you need to change the institutions that keep it in business.

 

[butchersapron]

So vote yes to smash labour. An interesting perspective for a labour member selling his wares on the basis of av delivering a labour govt. You will literally say anything. People can spot that.

 

[Proper Tidy]

No recognising the debilitating effect of Labourism on the British left does not mean you can just bypass it or pretend it's not there - you need to change the institutions that keep it in business.

Sorry but this is quite brilliant lol

 

[butchersapron]

We have truly entered the other realm right now.

 

[Streathamite]

I've not made any secret of my position. Why the reticence about yours?

Neither Butchers' job nor mine are in any way relevant to this thread.
Yours is.

 

[articul8]

So vote yes to smash labour. An interesting perspective for a labour member selling his wares on the basis of av delivering a labour govt. You will literally say anything. People can spot that.

Becuase there is only one sort of Labour party and only one sort of Labour government - and this is from a historical materialist?!?

 

[articul8]

Back on topic - panic breaks out in Conservative HQ about losing the AV vote:
http://bit.ly/dLEBhY

Follows Warsi telling Tory delegates that defeating AV was the number one priority:
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2011/03/baroness-warsi-tells-tory-activists-that-defeating-av-is-their-most-important-task-on-may-5th.html

Trots and anarchists unite to fight for the outcome most favourable to the Tories.

 

[articul8]

Neither Butchers' job nor mine are in any way relevant to this thread.
Yours is.

Well why don't you both tell us and we can be the judge.

 

[fractionMan]

Are you paid for the quantity or quality of your posts?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Well why don't you both tell us and we can be the judge.

Academic: social policy, health and social care, mental health.

Does that make me more or less reliable than a paid political spin artist?

Louis MacNeice

 

[Streathamite]

Well why don't you both tell us and we can be the judge.

OH?The royal 'we', is it now?Who else do you imagine you speak for here?
FTR:I'm an IT recruiter.ZERO conflict of interest
You-massive conflict of interest

 

[Refused as fuck]

No recognising the debilitating effect of Labourism on the British left does not mean you can just bypass it or pretend it's not there - you need to change the institutions that keep it in business.

 

[articul8]

hmm...I take the issue so seriously i'm prepared to campaign for it full time - and then my opinions doesn't count due to "conflict of interest"? How the fuck does that work?

As to the assorted dumb-fucks (see above) - what is your recipe for undermining Labourism? And why would it work now when it hasn't despite attempt after attempt?

 

[Refused as fuck]

There has never been a better time to undermine Labourism.

 

[articul8]

Has there been a more important time?

 

[Proper Tidy]

hmm...I take the issue so seriously i'm prepared to campaign for it full time

And get paid for it

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

"underming Labourism" is completely irrlevent, I don't care that you're a Labour member personally but you cannot undermine it from inside that's ludicrous.

Anyway what matters is building a broad progessive, militant and self organised working class movement and AV is not going to do that, given the way it funnels votes to the big 3 parties, while stopping AV is going to fuck the Libdems up especially at the same time as they get wiped out in the locals.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Anyway what matters is building a broad progessive, militant and self organised working class movement and AV is not going to do that, given the way it funnels votes to the big 3 parties, while stopping AV is going to fuck the Libdems up especially at the same time as they get wiped out in the locals.

Exactly. Why the fuck A8 can't see this is beyond me. Perhaps the cheques help.

 

[butchersapron]

Well why don't you both tell us and we can be the judge.

I teach girls to play football.