WTF? Girl in China Run Over and ignored
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Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
This is the latest on the child's health this morning: http://news.163.com/11/1019/03/7GMR89G500014AED.html
Says (in the weird way they write news here) that she's brain dead already by many indicators but still responds to pain which would indicate not brain dead. Also that she may take a turn for the critical at any time.
Apparently people have been donating loads of money to the family, including just turning up at the hospital and leaving cash, to the tune of around 270,000 now. The father says he wants to make it all transparent but it's all a bit too much at the moment (understandably). Mrs Chen also turned up to give them the money she'd got in reward, as she'd promised, though afterwards some company gave her more.
That's bad news for the girl.
Mrs Chen seems like a good sort
elfman
罗斯
One of the 1st things I got told when I moved to China was to try not understand the place because you just never will. You get amazing amounts of selfishness (as in the people not helping the girl) then amazing amounts of selflessness (as in the woman helping the girl then giving her the reward money).
I don't understand why you wouldn't believe this all happened. Come to China and see the horrendous driving. People literally don't give a fuck about so many rules over here, which is seen mostly on the road. People driving down the wrong side of the road, cutting each other up and whatever. Adding onto this the state of some of the roads (for example where I live its surrounded by 1/2 built roads with no lights or pavements) its a recipe for disaster and I'm surprised I've not seen an incident like this personally yet. So its no wonder that something like this can be caught on CCTV as its bound to happen a lot more that in the UK, especially with China having the huge population too.
Foshan is actually in the same province as me (Guangdong) but would be a few hours drive away as its a massive place, bigger than UK anyway...
I don't understand why you wouldn't believe this all happened. Come to China and see the horrendous driving. People literally don't give a fuck about so many rules over here, which is seen mostly on the road. People driving down the wrong side of the road, cutting each other up and whatever. Adding onto this the state of some of the roads (for example where I live its surrounded by 1/2 built roads with no lights or pavements) its a recipe for disaster and I'm surprised I've not seen an incident like this personally yet. So its no wonder that something like this can be caught on CCTV as its bound to happen a lot more that in the UK, especially with China having the huge population too.
Foshan is actually in the same province as me (Guangdong) but would be a few hours drive away as its a massive place, bigger than UK anyway...
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Didn't look right to me and I just checked UK is bigger than Guangdong.
Guangdong 68,700 sq mi
UK 94,060 sq mi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangdong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom
elfman
罗斯
I meant by population. I know the way I've worded the sentence doesn't make that clear though
JimW
支那暗杀团
Read today's report that the girl's health is deteriorating - reading between the lines she may not last the night.
Also stories interviewing some of the 18 people who walked past her, who've been getting insults and so on as you might expect. Various local shop owners claiming to have been in back of shop and so on all the time.
General tenor of comments I've read is that while you can point the finger at individuals, it's a wider social problem, particularly the court case in Nanjing where Peng Yu ended up having to pay some of the medical costs of a woman he'd helped because the judge decided it was 'common sense' that someone who took her to hospital must have had a hand in her fall.
Also stories interviewing some of the 18 people who walked past her, who've been getting insults and so on as you might expect. Various local shop owners claiming to have been in back of shop and so on all the time.
General tenor of comments I've read is that while you can point the finger at individuals, it's a wider social problem, particularly the court case in Nanjing where Peng Yu ended up having to pay some of the medical costs of a woman he'd helped because the judge decided it was 'common sense' that someone who took her to hospital must have had a hand in her fall.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Suddenly, your posts on the Knox thread make sense to me.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
It's made Thought For The Day on Radio 4
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
The Chinese Propaganda Unit must be rubbing their hands with glee right now.
5t3IIa
Registered User
crustychick
doo-woop-de-doo
Fucking hell - that's awful. I wish I hadn't watched that. The driver who ran her over, ACTUALLY STOPPED and then RAN HER OVER AGAIN?!?!?! WTF?!?!?! WHO would do that?!?!? fuck me
Stan - stop being a twat.
Stan - stop being a twat.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
That's a bit like asking a cat not to chase mice. It's just what he does. I think he's too old and set in his ways.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i'm taking the piss out of the conspiraloons
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's a china crisisYou dumb fucks.
CHINA IS A BAD COUNTRY AND ALL CHINA PEOPLE KNOW IT.
Little kiddies get squashed in the streets
Fuck you dumb fucks. This didn't happen.
The article below might go to some lengths to explain why the child was ignored, basically China is becoming too capitalist for it's own good. Throw in American compensation culture and rising living costs and this is the net result.
Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/08/chinas-good-samaritans-count-cost
China's Good Samaritans are weighing the cost of helping others after high-profile extortion attempts from people they have aided.
Commentators have blamed declining morals, high healthcare costs and inadequate laws for the scandals, warning that many people are now too scared to aid strangers for fear they will end up paying compensation or hospital fees.
In one widely reported case, an elderly woman who had fallen in Nanjing accused a bus driver who stopped to help of knocking her over and demanded money. He was cleared thanks to CCTV footage, reportedly prompting a run on video equipment in the area.
Fewer than 7% of 20,000 respondents in an online survey by Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television said they would stop while driving to offer help. More than 45% said they would turn a blind eye and 43% said they would help only if there was a camera.
Last week an 88-year-old man in Hubei died of suffocation due to a nose bleed after passers-by ignored his collapse. Only when relatives arrived, 90 minutes later, was he taken to hospital.
The soul-searching has been fuelled by new guidelines from the ministry of health, urging people to consider the circumstances before rushing to help old people who have fallen over. Officials stressed they were concerned about inappropriate treatment that could exacerbate injuries, but many saw it as a warning to helpers.
"What people need is apparently not technical guidelines, but the country and government's efforts to save morality, perfect the law, and promote social justice, fairness, economic development and income balance," wrote Liu Peng in a commentary on the People's Daily website.
An editorial in the Southern Metropolis Daily suggested that the government should set up a fund to pay for the medical treatment of old people if no one can tell who caused their accident.
Tan Fang, who has launched a foundation offering legal support to helpers who find themselves in trouble, warned: "Social morality has become imbalanced and has declined. There is also too much negative news, which makes the elderly tend to believe people who in fact help them are bad people, even though they might not remember clearly."
Tan, a professor at South China Normal University, added: "Governmental bodies need to promote a harmonious and moral atmosphere. Secondly, legislative bodies should investigate some cases and provide courts with correct guidelines. The third thing, I think, is to seek legal action against people who frame those who help them."
No one has been punished for fraudulent claims, in part perhaps because offenders are usually poor and elderly. Some may have been genuinely confused or simply desperate for money to cover medical fees.
In a 2009 paper on the phenomenon, anthropologist Yunxiang Yan pointed out that police and judges frequently demanded that the helper prove his innocence, while the extortionist was not required to provide witnesses or other evidence.
In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (£4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall.
"Gradually, helping a stranger is coming to be regarded as a mindless and silly act, instead of compassionate or heroic," noted Yan, of the University of California, Los Angeles.
He speculated that increasing social inequality might make the poor feel they needed the money more than their wealthier helpers. But he added that younger or middle-aged people were also more likely to help, because they tended to hold more universalistic moral values, while older people were more hostile to strangers and felt their duties were towards people within their social network.
Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/08/chinas-good-samaritans-count-cost
China's Good Samaritans are weighing the cost of helping others after high-profile extortion attempts from people they have aided.
Commentators have blamed declining morals, high healthcare costs and inadequate laws for the scandals, warning that many people are now too scared to aid strangers for fear they will end up paying compensation or hospital fees.
In one widely reported case, an elderly woman who had fallen in Nanjing accused a bus driver who stopped to help of knocking her over and demanded money. He was cleared thanks to CCTV footage, reportedly prompting a run on video equipment in the area.
Fewer than 7% of 20,000 respondents in an online survey by Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television said they would stop while driving to offer help. More than 45% said they would turn a blind eye and 43% said they would help only if there was a camera.
Last week an 88-year-old man in Hubei died of suffocation due to a nose bleed after passers-by ignored his collapse. Only when relatives arrived, 90 minutes later, was he taken to hospital.
The soul-searching has been fuelled by new guidelines from the ministry of health, urging people to consider the circumstances before rushing to help old people who have fallen over. Officials stressed they were concerned about inappropriate treatment that could exacerbate injuries, but many saw it as a warning to helpers.
"What people need is apparently not technical guidelines, but the country and government's efforts to save morality, perfect the law, and promote social justice, fairness, economic development and income balance," wrote Liu Peng in a commentary on the People's Daily website.
An editorial in the Southern Metropolis Daily suggested that the government should set up a fund to pay for the medical treatment of old people if no one can tell who caused their accident.
Tan Fang, who has launched a foundation offering legal support to helpers who find themselves in trouble, warned: "Social morality has become imbalanced and has declined. There is also too much negative news, which makes the elderly tend to believe people who in fact help them are bad people, even though they might not remember clearly."
Tan, a professor at South China Normal University, added: "Governmental bodies need to promote a harmonious and moral atmosphere. Secondly, legislative bodies should investigate some cases and provide courts with correct guidelines. The third thing, I think, is to seek legal action against people who frame those who help them."
No one has been punished for fraudulent claims, in part perhaps because offenders are usually poor and elderly. Some may have been genuinely confused or simply desperate for money to cover medical fees.
In a 2009 paper on the phenomenon, anthropologist Yunxiang Yan pointed out that police and judges frequently demanded that the helper prove his innocence, while the extortionist was not required to provide witnesses or other evidence.
In one notorious case, a court ordered a Nanjing man to pay more than 45,000 yuan (£4,400) to an old lady whom he had taken to hospital. The judge argued it was common sense that he would not have gone to such trouble unless he had caused her fall.
"Gradually, helping a stranger is coming to be regarded as a mindless and silly act, instead of compassionate or heroic," noted Yan, of the University of California, Los Angeles.
He speculated that increasing social inequality might make the poor feel they needed the money more than their wealthier helpers. But he added that younger or middle-aged people were also more likely to help, because they tended to hold more universalistic moral values, while older people were more hostile to strangers and felt their duties were towards people within their social network.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
wtf Stanley?!?! I will never ever be able to take anything you say seriously again 
What a bizarre set of posts you made on this thread, congratulations...
I have read a bit on this, but just wondering, why was the toddler out on her own? Had she been out with parents and got lost? Does anyone what happened there?
When people talk about examples of mirrors being held up to societies, well, this is probably one of the saddest examples of it.
What a bizarre set of posts you made on this thread, congratulations...I have read a bit on this, but just wondering, why was the toddler out on her own? Had she been out with parents and got lost? Does anyone what happened there?
When people talk about examples of mirrors being held up to societies, well, this is probably one of the saddest examples of it.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
And has been for a long time. I remember being on the Tube for the first time in about 1966, and asking my Londoner cousin what would happen if someone was trapped in the doors as the train moved off. She replied, that everyone would continue to read their paper, people don't want to get involved.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Bollocks Stanley. What have you been drinking or smoking?
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
Little kiddies get squashed in the streets
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Suppressing the bit about her been knocked out into the street after being body checked with a ruck sack was also beyond the pail ...
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
Link?She didn't make it.
Chinese people care more about money and face and need to bring back communism, it's the only way to stop the cancer in it's society eating away at morality.
100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
It's better she died tbf...not much of a life if she was to survive.
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
That's a hell of statement to make.
100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
I read she was brain dead.
friedaweed
Me and me girl named Jane
I refuse to accept that this thread ever happened.
For Stanley's sake
For Stanley's sake
100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
I refuse to accept that this thread ever happened.
For Stanley's sake
alot of chinese will believe this is propaganda (like my dad who is from this area).
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