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WTF? Girl in China Run Over and ignored

Outrageous ! I just don`t understand. How naive I am to think doing whats right is ingrained in human nature. I have put myself in perilous situations to help another and would never change it. Decency, caring for, and protecting one another is a given. No excuse will change my mind.
 
JimW said:
There's been rumblings at finger-pointing at the mother for not taking enough care of the girl, but strikes me it's very like what's so common here and what it was like when I was little, you let your kids out to play for hours.
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Seriously? At two years old?
 
Mab said:
Outrageous ! I just don`t understand. How naive I am to think doing whats right is ingrained in human nature. I have put myself in perilous situations to help another and would never change it. Decency, caring for, and protecting one another is a given. No excuse will change my mind.
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And if your good samaritan spirit leads to the 'victim' trying to sue you wouldn't that make you caucious about doing so again in future? As what seemingly happens in China.
 
Geri said:
Seriously? At two years old?
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Seems she popped off for ten minutes or so to pick up some washing, Yueyue was in the family shop and wandered out into the roadway.
You're right we were older when we went out on our own; you do see very little ones playing out even in the street I live on here, though with an adult watching that small. Out on their own about five or six, which is more like with me in the 70s. Don't know that bit of the south so well.
 
rover07 said:
and left the kid on her own!!!!
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Not sure, only going off what I've read in the papers but I think so. The market is apparently not public roads, but they could drive delivery vans in. Says it's packed with kids playing out after school. Seems to me even in worst case and the girl was just left and wandered out it's still the driver's fault - it's not a highway, just the narrow roadways in a market. The whole explosion of vehicle traffic's gone from hardly any twenty odd years back to mad now, so also it's that habits haven't caught up.
 
Leaving a two year old on their own is just fucking irresponsible. Utterly inexcusable, death penalty for the parents too.
 
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Careless, but no worse than similar cases in this country with children wandering off when parents aren't watching them. The fact the child was in a busy area as opposed to fenced off in a nursery/daycare centre makes it more unbelievable to most posters who are voicing disbelief.
 
Not saying it's right to leave a kid that age alone, just that there's very likely a whole different background to how the UK is now in habits and expectations. Even assuming that's what did happen, a lot of people coming into the southern towns are from country places where it's all extended family and you can pop out for ten minutes knowing people will be around to keep an eye out. The vehicles were in a place where they should have been driving extremely pedestrian- and child-aware. I know all sorts could have happened and something did, but fact remains the driver should have been careful enough not to hit her in the first place and certainly not have driven off running over her the second time. If we start in on the mum, shouldn't lose sight of that.
 
I dont think cultural differences make any difference to how a 2 year old acts. They are unaware of traffic danger and too small to be easily noticed.
 
I know, I'm saying that child rearing is still more like it was years ago in the UK, and especially people who've come from the country towns here haven't caught up with the massive changes in so short a time. It's really hard to describe to people who've not seen it (I first came here in early 90s) how fast and utterly the place has changed in so short a time. So again, not saying it's right, just that it doesn't make her wilfully negligent in maybe same way as you might say at home (and this is still not really knowing the facts).
 
I'm not even sure that years ago it would have been common to let a 2 year old out to play on their own for hours.
 
Oh yeah, my fault for mixing up the school-age kids playing with this poor lass. She wandered out while her mum had popped round the corner.
We did live out in the middle of nowhere, but mum had us three lads out in the garden while I was still in my pram (early 70s) and brothers were two and three, though would be with her in the house. This isn't that different as far as I can see if what little I know is true.
 
JimW said:
Not saying it's right to leave a kid that age alone, just that there's very likely a whole different background to how the UK is now in habits and expectations. Even assuming that's what did happen, a lot of people coming into the southern towns are from country places where it's all extended family and you can pop out for ten minutes knowing people will be around to keep an eye out. The vehicles were in a place where they should have been driving extremely pedestrian- and child-aware. I know all sorts could have happened and something did, but fact remains the driver should have been careful enough not to hit her in the first place and certainly not have driven off running over her the second time. If we start in on the mum, shouldn't lose sight of that.
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Just want to back you up on what you're saying here. Things are just different here and there are loads of internal migrants around this area who are obviously used to different conditions. Nobody is excusing the mother but to make a comment calling for the death penalty (whether joking or not) is a bit stupid.
 
Cheers. She's obviously done the wrong thing and the tragedy wouldn't have happened if she'd not, was trying to make the point that it's not so madly negligent by local lights as it might look (and that's if I've got the facts straight).
 
Big Gunz said:
And if your good samaritan spirit leads to the 'victim' trying to sue you wouldn't that make you caucious about doing so again in future? As what seemingly happens in China.
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this is the crucial point, i feel.
people haven't suddenly become callous for no reason in china; there are very clear reasons why most people wouldn't stop to help, and it's down to a short-sighted (and occasionally fucking insane) legal framework. perversely i feel this is good news, for i draw the conclusion that people will help unless there's some idiotic means of preventing them.

there's something else as well. sometimes people don't publicise their own unselfish acts, for the sort of person likely to put themselves at risk for another human being might be the sort who would find the act was it's own reward, and see no need to tell others. this might be a reason why we don't hear about all the good samaritans that actually exist.
i suspect that lots of people will have read this thread and kept schtum about their own acts of kindness, so as not to sully them
 
rover07 said:
Ultimately its the mothers fault for not taking proper care of her child.
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wtf? Are you trolling? How the hell it's the mother's fault that someone drove over a child not once, but 3 times, and that 18 people didn't stop to help? Are you the Daily Mail?

Earlier in the thread I did wonder where the child's parents were, more out of curiosity, not to blame them! They didn't drive irresponsibly, they didn't fail to assist a child.

What if the child just got lost from the parents, would they be less to blame in your opinion?
 
gavman said:
this is the crucial point, i feel.
people haven't suddenly become callous for no reason in china; there are very clear reasons why most people wouldn't stop to help, and it's down to a short-sighted (and occasionally fucking insane) legal framework. perversely i feel this is good news, for i draw the conclusion that people will help unless there's some idiotic means of preventing them.

there's something else as well. sometimes people don't publicise their own unselfish acts, for the sort of person likely to put themselves at risk for another human being might be the sort who would find the act was it's own reward, and see no need to tell others. this might be a reason why we don't hear about all the good samaritans that actually exist.
i suspect that lots of people will have read this thread and kept schtum about their own acts of kindness, so as not to sully them
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Seen you second point made many times and it's true - it's right there's some serious soul-searching over this but there are thousands of incidents every day when people stop and help. But there is a sense that that willingness has declined, some say post that notorious court case, others since the mad rush of reform made it all about money. Combination of that and the massive pace of urbanisation and all the community disruption that brings - China's rural-to-urban migration over the last couple of decades is the biggest single movement of humanity in history.
 
gavman said:
this is the crucial point, i feel.
people haven't suddenly become callous for no reason in china; there are very clear reasons why most people who``couldn't stop to help, and it's down to a short-sighted (and occasionally fucking insane) legal framework. perversely i feel this is good news, for i draw the conclusion that people will help unless there's some idiotic means of preventing them.

there's something else as well. sometimes people don't publicise their own unselfish acts, for the sort of person likely to put themselves at risk for another human being might be the sort who would find the act was it's own reward, and see no need to tell others. this might be a reason why we don't hear about all the good samaritans that actually exist.
i suspect that lots of people will have read this thread and kept schtum about their own acts of kindness, so as not to sully them
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Exactly; I was always taught it is wrong to divulge one`s acts of charity and kindness. You just do it and never draw attention to yourself. However, upset at the story, my outrage took over. I never understood why some people who donate to charities etc. would want it public or to be recognised.
 
It could by bystander apathy, where when there is more people around the less likely they are to intervine. It has been well documented in psychology/sociology. Here is a link for more info on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_apathy

You get to study that at basic GCSE level Psychology, never mind A-level or degree level.
 
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