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WTF? Girl in China Run Over and ignored

I remember driving through Camden I think near the market, I noticed what looked like a tramp had collapsed on the pavement, everybody was just walking around him, no one stopped. I was caught up in the traffic myself so I too just drove on. Not a good impression of human decency or the lack of.
 
weltweit said:
I don't have much faith in UK public.. in too many incidents the feeling seems to be "I don't want to get involved!"
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Yip...... Generally speaking Ill try and help where I can, but can be wary. My friend once tried to stop 4 blokes beating up a girl and ended up with a punctured lung, broken ribs and a re-arragned face...... I dont know what I'd do in that situation, depends how much adrenalin ive got going i guess...... I like to think I'd dive in with a sword and shield and hack them all up like I was in 300, but I know thats a long way from the truth :(
 
weltweit said:
I remember driving through Camden I think near the market, I noticed what looked like a tramp had collapsed on the pavement, everybody was just walking around him, no one stopped. I was caught up in the traffic myself so I too just drove on. Not a good impression of human decency or the lack of.
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it sounds like a good impression of the lack of human decency.
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
but what about calling the police to deal with it?
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No reason not to do that AFAIK, and one thing many have said in comments here. Saw a vox pop in downtown Foshan where even, e.g. people who said they faint at the sight of blood claim they would have at least made a call.
 
JimW said:
Read today's report that the girl's health is deteriorating - reading between the lines she may not last the night.

Also stories interviewing some of the 18 people who walked past her, who've been getting insults and so on as you might expect. Various local shop owners claiming to have been in back of shop and so on all the time.
General tenor of comments I've read is that while you can point the finger at individuals, it's a wider social problem, particularly the court case in Nanjing where Peng Yu ended up having to pay some of the medical costs of a woman he'd helped because the judge decided it was 'common sense' that someone who took her to hospital must have had a hand in her fall.
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that's fucking insane
 
I know. It was in 2006 and despite a bit of a reduction in his liabilities after mediation AFAIK he never got it overturned on appeal despite a national outcry and it being directly cited in subsequent cases of old people dying in the street unaided.
 
JimW said:
NHS makes a hell of a difference - no fear that if you take/call ambulance to send someone to hospital you'll end up with the bill.
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there's a whole spectrum of negative human behaviour that seems to be driven by medical bills
 
JimW said:
I know. It was in 2006 and despite a bit of a reduction in his liabilities after mediation AFAIK he never got it overturned on appeal despite a national outcry and it being directly cited in subsequent cases of old people dying in the street unaided.
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that judge should be arrested!
 
i feel dreadful asking, but is she still alive?

i know i have no connection whatsoever to this story, but when i read the posts saying she's died my day just seemed a bit pointless and empty.
 
Was just searching news in Chinese again and so far no reports that she's died, but as I said in an earlier post, her condition has apparently deteriorated and the implication is she's not long for this world. Think she'd have terrible brain damage if she did live, poor mite :(
 
weltweit said:
I remember driving through Camden I think near the market, I noticed what looked like a tramp had collapsed on the pavement, everybody was just walking around him, no one stopped. I was caught up in the traffic myself so I too just drove on. Not a good impression of human decency or the lack of.
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My uncle had a heart attack on the way to babysit for me and my brother, he collasped in the street and people just stepped over him because they thought he was drunk. He died. He was on route to us to arrive at 6, he was found at about 10. The hospital said he probably wouldn't have died if someone had stopped and helped him. This was about 25 yrs ago. I always stop to help. The thought of uncle John lying in the street on that cold dark december evening, in pain and fear whilst people stepped over him tutting and muttering about drunks make me cry even now.
 
weltweit said:
I don't have much faith in UK public.. in too many incidents the feeling seems to be "I don't want to get involved!"
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In cities I honestly don't blame people for not wanting to get involved in other peoples disputes.

Recently a friend went to help a girl out who looked like she was being attacked by two guys. The girl jumped free from the two guys and punched him in the face, turns out she was hammered and they all knew each other. Fuck that.
 
People in the UK will often ignore ADULTS who appear to have just passed out because they assume they may be drunk/wasted. Similarly for arguments and fights, people are scared of getting beaten up.

But this has taken it to a whole new level, as we find it hard to imagine any of us would ignore a bleeding child.

Unless they thought it was a prank and didn't want to be on tv?!?!?! :oops: (worst excuse ever ;) )
 
Once found an old woman collapsed on the front step of a dentists, must've been 11pm.

The lights were on and it looked like the dentist lived there too as it was a house, so knocked on the door thinking maybe it's the dentists mum or something. Anyway, he sticks his head out of the upstairs window and says "it's ok we've already called the police". Had to point out to him that it was november and he had an 80 odd year old woman shivering on his doorstep.

He opened up, we got her inside, wrapped her up in a blanket. The fucking cunt kept giving me and my mate dodgy looks, if he didn't like the old lady in his house he really didn't like us in there. I think he though we were going to turn the place over while he was getting the blankets.

The guys whole mindset was all about him and his castle.
 
spirals said:
My uncle had a heart attack on the way to babysit for me and my brother, he collasped in the street and people just stepped over him because they thought he was drunk. He died. He was on route to us to arrive at 6, he was found at about 10. The hospital said he probably wouldn't have died if someone had stopped and helped him. This was about 25 yrs ago. I always stop to help. The thought of uncle John lying in the street on that cold dark december evening, in pain and fear whilst people stepped over him tutting and muttering about drunks make me cry even now.
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((spirals))
 
100% masahiko said:
Hit and run. Murder.
Death Penalty.
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Yeh could be. There's an English bar I go to over here and it has a notice about if you drink drive then kill someone you will get the DEATH PENALTY (in massive letters). I was a bit like wtf? at first then I realised I was in China....
 
I won't watch the video but read the link posted to Times magazine...it's just all seems so incomprehensable...and that comment re the 2006 case about it being obvious that the person helping would have a hand in the persons fall!!!

Here's hoping that all the media interest and the punishment of the van drivers will change attitudes & actions.
 
moonsi til said:
I won't watch the video but read the link posted to Times magazine...it's just all seems so incomprehensable...and that comment re the 2006 case about it being obvious that the person helping would have a hand in the persons fall!!!

Here's hoping that all the media interest and the punishment of the van drivers will change attitudes & actions.
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It's sparked such a big debate that I do reckon some changes there may be the one good thing to come out of it all.
 
Just reading this: http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2011-10-20/145523334990.shtml which says where she was actually run over is inside a big (open air I think) clothing/textiles market, so the offences may not come under the traffic laws as it's not public roads. Says there's often loads of kids playing out on the roadways there after school, despite all the vans going back and forth, with the roads made narrower because the different shops stack their goods out on the roadside.
There's been rumblings at finger-pointing at the mother for not taking enough care of the girl, but strikes me it's very like what's so common here and what it was like when I was little, you let your kids out to play for hours. We were lucky because there were hardly any cars and lots of woods and fields where I grew up. China's changed so much faster, especially the boom in traffic over the last twenty years.
 
Lots of hot air and silly rumours on this thread but no mention of mitigating circumstances. What do you expect people to do when they are all rushing off to the Apple factory to make the latest iphone. No time to stop and help people, deadlines must be met and lateness will not be tolerated!

Than You Steve.
 
JimW said:
路走好
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Indeed.

Poor Yue Yue's family. :( I was talking about this with a friend yesterday and she was as shocked and upset as everyone on this thread, although she also said she's seen people saying the cleaner who went to Yue Yue's aid was just doing it to be famous, which is obviously bollocks.
 
Yes, I'd read reports of those accusations too. Saw an excellent response as well, these people shouldn't project their own moral vacuum onto a good woman like Chen Xianmei; says everything about them and nothing about her.
 
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