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[frogwoman]

oh shit, it's probably to late to delete the post too. now what will I wear to avoid being harangued about fucking Cuba?

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you could order a t-shirt with a picture of Stalin, Enver Hoxha or Ramon Mercader on it with "AGAINST TROTSKYITE REVISIONISM AND FOR MARXISM-LENISM" as the caption. I am sure Ern would be glad to design one lol.

Seriously, I'm surprised that trots are haranguing you about cuba though. Which trots are these? does anyone still do that? Priorities people ...

 

[TremulousTetra]

oh shit, it's probably to late to delete the post too. now what will I wear to avoid being harangued about fucking Cuba?

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should be a pretty catchall T-shirt.

 

[SpineyNorman]

walk past any lefty stall wearing anything England related and you will not be offered any leaflets or asked to sign petitions. works every time for me when I'm in newcastle. England football gear = Trot Repellant.

Certainly not the case round here, there's a bloke who sometimes does SP stalls in an England cap. I do know what you mean though, I've been on stalls in the past where people have made comments after people in England gear have signed a petition and gone, assuming they're "nationalist" or whatever. It's one of my biggest pet hates about the UK left.

 

[krink]

Seriously, I'm surprised that trots are haranguing you about cuba though. Which trots are these? does anyone still do that? Priorities people ...

i am not sure but i think in newcastle it is swp bangs on about Palestine and the Fight Racism Fight Imperialism (that's the paper they sell, anyway) go on about Cuba. we don't have any of this carry on in my town - just the odd religious group and chuggers.

 

[TremulousTetra]

you could order a t-shirt with a picture of Stalin, Enver Hoxha or Ramon Mercader on it with "AGAINST TROTSKYITE REVISIONISM AND FOR MARXISM-LENISM" as the caption. I am sure Ern would be glad to design one lol.

Seriously, I'm surprised that trots are haranguing you about cuba though. Which trots are these? does anyone still do that? Priorities people ...

Get cubaist's at marxism haranguing [I gather concentrates on Cuba, I forget his name ETA I think it was Mike Gonzalez] most years.

 

[TremulousTetra]

i am not sure but i think in newcastle it is swp bangs on about Palestine and the Fight Racism Fight Imperialism (that's the paper they sell, anyway) go on about Cuba. we don't have any of this carry on in my town - just the odd religious group and chuggers.

no disrespect, but surely you are mistaken? SWP don't see Cuba as any different to Russia, state CAPITALISM, to which they are opposed.

 

[krink]

no disrespect, but surely you are mistaken?

? that's just me saying what goes on in newcastle when i'm shopping there. dunno if they're always like that but they were when I was there.

 

[butchersapron]

Get cubaist's at marxism haranguing most years.

Why didn't you call them cubists?

 

[krink]

maybe spanky might know better as he's more involved in newcastle than me. i can't (rather, I'm not interested in) keeping up with trotty/lefty groups.

 

[chilango]

The RCG whose paper is Fight Racism Fight Imperialism will be yer lot going on about Cuba.

 

[frogwoman]

why?

 

[frogwoman]

One of the first demos i went on with the SP there was a group of tankies there and a girl wearing a stalin t-shirt.

 

[krink]

The RCG whose paper is Fight Racism Fight Imperialism will be yer lot going on about Cuba.

that's them. seem canny enough people but a bit barking.

 

[Stay Beautiful]

what year was this? that's surprising, i don't reckon I know anyone who'd react like that, in fact one SP member has a modified england flag as his facebook profile. Could be wrong though, you never know

Must have been 2007. No idea if it was representative but one of my the folks in question was a full timer.

 

[krink]

just a quick question, are the ones like the stalinist tankies not really left-wing or is it more that terms like left-wing are pretty meaningless anyway?

 

[DaveCinzano]

that's them. seem canny enough people but a bit barking.

Not so much fruitcakes as Yaffe cakes.

 

[frogwoman]

I'd still say they were left wing yeah, but as this thread has shown it's a pretty catch-all term.

 

[TremulousTetra]

? that's just me saying what goes on in newcastle when i'm shopping there. dunno if they're always like that but they were when I was there.

Not disputing SWP were there, but " go on about Cuba", sorry, no way.

 

[krink]

Not so much fruitcakes as Yaffe cakes.

as an amateur trot spotter, i'm quite pleased I got that one!

 

[SpineyNorman]

just a quick question, are the ones like the stalinist tankies not really left-wing or is it more that terms like left-wing are pretty meaningless anyway?

They're the only ones who are left wing. Trots etc. are liberals. /ernestolynch

 

[krink]

Not disputing SWP were there, but "go on about Cuba", sorry, no way.

i am not sure but i think in newcastle it is swp bangs on about Palestine

 

[frogwoman]

Did those war supporting Harry's Place type ex trots ever set up their own party?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Well they didn't set it up but Harry's Place links to the AWL, or at least used to. Other war supporting ex trots joined the GOP and acted as advisers to Bush.

 

[frogwoman]

Are Spiked and co on the list?

 

[TremulousTetra]

i am not sure but i think in newcastle it is swp bangs on about Palestine and the Fight Racism Fight Imperialism go on about Cuba.

 

[krink]

learn to read you fucking cock.

 

[TremulousTetra]

as an amateur trot spotter, i'm quite pleased I got that one!

you must be less amateur than me, because I don't get it. what's the joke?

 

[krink]

i am not sure but i think in newcastle it is swp bangs on about Palestine

and

the Fight Racism Fight Imperialism (that's the paper they sell, anyway) go on about Cuba.

if you still want to argue about it find another thread to be tiresome on.

 

[TremulousTetra]

learn to read you fucking cock.

Ahhhhh, sorry. My sincerest apologies. You are right, I am wrong.

 

[krink]

Ahhhhh, sorry. My sincerest apologies. You are right, I am wrong.

fair enough, no worries.