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Workers Power have split

what....?
The same Labour Party structure that hatched New Labour is still with us. Hence Blair and New Labour did not steal the Party: they gave a voice to the hatred of National Conference, Clause Four and the Trade Union link of the apparatus itself. Following the collapse of the USSR, inner layers that were never socialist decided that communism was dead. New Labour was quick to grasp that capitalist money and rewards would go to those bold enough to put socialism in the grave.
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:D
 
Like I said earlier I bumped into them in Southport once at a Labour party conference, and a few of my friends also in Labour have had occasional meeting with them, but there can't be more than 10 of them so I don't think they're likely to wield any influence to be honest.
 
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belboid said:
almost as silly as continuing to believe that the crisis was still at least five years off (thanks to the power of china) was the idea that, even tho the working-class was still in recovery from a period of massive defeats, and so massive workers militancy and large scale strike action were incredibly unlikely, it was still perfectly sane and rational to call for workers defence squads against the BNP, patrolling the streets and alleys to fight the fascists wherever they raised their heads
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Was that as silly as the claim that this long and continuing boom has brought us to a pre-revolutionary situation?

edit:take that back - that was WP majority who held that we are in pre-revolutionary situation, and not because of the continued good health of the economy.
 
Louis MacNeice said:
Is that like having a gas hob and an electric oven or owning a Prius? I think there's a Retro article in there somewhere.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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I think they had a meeting in room 216C of the university union and that constituted a dual/parallel power situation (the other element being the UK state)
 
barney_pig said:
When I was a member in southampton, we got an order in party notes saying that comrades who did not attend branch meetings which were taking place during England world cup games would be expelled. I think this was a SWP 'joke', hut it was read out at branch with all seriousness.
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Yeah, isn't anti-England sentiment pretty much standard and not limited to the really nutty groups? I remember going to Socialism one year after England had lost in Russia and it didn't look as if we'd qualify for the European Championships. Came out after the main rally in the evening to find Israel had beaten Croatia unexpectedly and so it was still up for grabs. Not that I give much of a toss about the national team ('cos they don't, after all). Well, the reaction I got to being happy with that result was something else. Maybe because it was a double whammy. Israel AND England. lol. I think I would have got a better reaction had I said 'you know that Alan Woods and Rob Sewell.... top fellas.... I think they were right, you know!'.
 
Stay Beautiful said:
Yeah, isn't anti-England sentiment pretty much standard and not limited to the really nutty groups? I remember going to Socialism one year after England had lost in Russia and it didn't look as if we'd qualify for the European Championships. Came out after the main rally in the evening to find Israel had beaten Croatia unexpectedly and so it was still up for grabs. Not that I give much of a toss about the national team ('cos they don't, after all). Well, the reaction I got to being happy with that result was something else. Maybe because it was a double whammy. Israel AND England. lol. I think I would have got a better reaction had I said 'you know that Alan Woods and Rob Sewell.... top fellas.... I think they were right, you know!'.
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what year was this? that's surprising, i don't reckon I know anyone who'd react like that, in fact one SP member has a modified england flag as his facebook profile. Could be wrong though, you never know :D
 
walk past any lefty stall wearing anything England related and you will not be offered any leaflets or asked to sign petitions. works every time for me when I'm in newcastle. England football gear = Trot Repellant.
 
frogwoman said:
Who are socialist fight? There is some mental guy on my facebook who thinks that Russia and all other eastern block countries are still all somehow stalinist. He wrote a blog entry where he actually criticised me among other wordy polemics for "accommodating to liberal bourgeois nationalism" for being a fan of England on facebook!
barney_pig said:
When I was a member in southampton, we got an order in party notes saying that comrades who did not attend branch meetings which were taking place during England world cup games would be expelled. I think this was a SWP 'joke', hut it was read out at branch with all seriousness.
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think it's pretty much standard not supporting England during the World Cup etc are. The argument against comes under the "revolutionary defeatism" erm genre [is that the right word, don't think so].

though there are some serious arguments about how it strengthens the Right, and the Far Right [ie attacks on Irish pubs etc], I would be amazed if there was any talk of expulsion. There was plenty of seasoned Cadre I knew of in the 80s who supported England, whose only rebuke was mild derision for being part of the "backwards element" from fellow members. [tongue in cheek]
 
krink said:
walk past any lefty stall wearing anything England related and you will not be offered any leaflets or asked to sign petitions. works every time for me when I'm in newcastle. England football gear = Trot Repellant.
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Noted.
 
krink said:
walk past any lefty stall wearing anything England related and you will not be offered any leaflets or asked to sign petitions. works every time for me when I'm in newcastle. England football gear = Trot Repellant.
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You wouldn't have got past me. :D

Perhaps it was some of the areas we used to leaflet, paper sale etc, but you could stop the unlikeliest of people and find out they used to be a member of the Labour Party, Communist Party, anarchist organisation etc. Soon learned, never judge a book by its cover.
 
frogwoman said:
@krink, you do realise that's the knell of doom now and you're going to be proved wrong from now on.
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oh shit, it's probably to late to delete the post too. now what will I wear to avoid being harangued about fucking Cuba?

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