Workers Power have split

[mk12]

I'm sure there was a thread putting all posters in their respective parties. I think things may have changed somewhat since 2006!

 

[barney_pig]

I wish nanny posted here.
I think that the red star fatwa on broder has fallen into abayance since he became all non trot.

 

[butchersapron]

I wish nanny posted here.
I think that the red star fatwa on broder has fallen into abayance since he became all non trot.

They never change - they just learn to hide it better.

 

[chilango]

I'm sure there was a thread putting all posters in their respective parties. I think things may have changed somewhat since 2006!

Do it.

 

[imposs1904]

Hang on, aren't The Commune a split from Workers Power, or am I just totally lost trying to follow all this?

Incidentally, Workers Power splits seems to produce groups that are better than your average trot. The Commune paper isn't at all bad, and Permanent Revolution may only have about 30 members but the journal they do is one of the best on the left, some of the people involved in it really do know their stuff.

I think you're wrong about Commune being a split from Workers Power.

 

[butchersapron]

Hang on, aren't The Commune a split from Workers Power, or am I just totally lost trying to follow all this?

Incidentally, Workers Power splits seems to produce groups that are better than your average trot. The Commune paper isn't at all bad, and Permanent Revolution may only have about 30 members but the journal they do is one of the best on the left, some of the people involved in it really do know their stuff.

Yes,their 2007-8 prediction (and reason for the split with WP) about the continued good health of the capitalist system and their dismissal of the idea that there was a bubble that was about to burst looks positively visionary today.

 

[butchersapron]

I think you're wrong about Commune being a split from Workers Power.

He is.

 

[chilango]

Workers Power split circa 2006 Urban thread.

 

[Delroy Booth]

I think you're wrong about Commune being a split from Workers Power.

Oh aye? Where did they come from then, I thought they were a faction from Workers Power that left at some point. To be honest I'm really not sure of the political background of them at all, so would be grateful if you'd fill me in on the details.

 

[belboid]

Haven't heard from him in a while, but I think he still posts in various places in the lefty blogosphere.

saw him just the other day, commenting on Simons piece on the split, unsurprisingly

 

[imposs1904]

Oh aye? Where did they come from then, I thought they were a faction from Workers Power that left at some point. To be honest I'm really not sure of the political background of them at all, so would be grateful if you'd fill me in on the details.

Well, the main banana in Commune was part of the Red Party after previously being a member of both the AWL and and the CPGB/Weekly Worker mob.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Yes,their 2007-8 prediction (and reason for the split with WP) about the continued good health of the capitalist system and their dismissal of the idea that there was a bubble that was about to burst looks positively visionary today.

Haha maybe so, but I really wouldn't want to comment on it because I haven't read the articles in question. Any chance of a link to 'em so I can have a look.

I had a stack of back issues of PR to read through and I reckon it was one of the best journals going on the left, some really good analysis in there I thought.

 

[butchersapron]

Haha maybe so, but I really wouldn't want to comment on it because I haven't read the articles in question. Any chance of a link to 'em so I can have a look.

I had a stack of back issues of PR to read through and I reckon it was one of the best journals going on the left, some really good analysis in there I thought.

Do you know how mental that sounds after laughing at them for getting the major thing, the central point of their existence, embarrassingly wrong?

Remember "Capitalism's long upturn"? (pdf)

 

[Delroy Booth]

Do you know how mental that sounds after laughing at them for getting the major thing, the central point of their existence, embarrassingly wrong?

Remember "Capitalism's long upturn"? (pdf)

Is it the central point of their existence? Coz from what I can see most splits on the left are down to squabbling personalities and egomania that hide beneath disagreements about policy.

And I'll give that article a read later on, coz I haven't read it before, on the face of it yeah they got it wildly wrong, but in my defense I hadn't read that article I was basing my opinions on lots and lots of other things I remember reading in PR that were bang on the money.

 

[articul8]

Do you mock the prophetic genius and amazing anticipatory predictive reach of Bill Jeffries?

 

[love detective]

have you ever seen him cradle/rock a baby - it's like he's mixing a cocktail

 

[Delroy Booth]

Do you mock the prophetic genius and amazing anticipatory predictive reach of Bill Jeffries?

LOL I'm not going to comment on that, but I will say this, he's one of the best people to have on your side if there's ever any militant anti-fascism that needs doing. You don't wanna bump into Bill "The Lewisham Strangler" Jeffries in a dark alley I tell ya that

 

[butchersapron]

Is it the central point of their existence? Coz from what I can see most splits on the left are down to squabbling personalities and egomania that hide beneath disagreements about policy.

And I'll give that article a read later on, coz I haven't read it before, on the face of it yeah they got it wildly wrong, but in my defense I hadn't read that article I was basing my opinions on lots and lots of other things I remember reading in PR that were bang on the money.

Yes it is/was.They split from WP because WP had sort of had the idea that the world econony was headed in bad direction. (Yes, they predicted 7 of the last 3 recessions etc)

 

[Delroy Booth]

Yes it is/was.They split from WP because WP had sort of had the idea that the world econony was headed in bad direction. (Yes, they predicted 7 of the last 3 recessions etc)

I'm gonna have to give that article a proper read and see what it says before I get into a heated debate with you on that, coz I've gotta go out soon and I haven't got time to do it justice right now.

I will say this though, if there's any left groups that think this crisis/recession is the final ultimate end of capitalism as we know it they'd be very much mistaken.

 

[butchersapron]

No one has said any such thing.

 

[frogwoman]

Whats the posadists line on the current crisis lol?

 

[Delroy Booth]

No one has said any such thing.

C'mon there's gotta be at least one of the groups on the list who've said that in a fit of pique, wishful thinking is a dangerous thing.

 

[chilango]

Whats the posadists line on the current crisis lol?

Ask and ye shall receive...
...read this and this and I reckon you'll find out.

 

[Red Storm]

Do you mock the prophetic genius and amazing anticipatory predictive reach of Bill Jeffries?

I won't hear a bad word said about Bill "Lewisham Strangler" Jeffries.

 

[frogwoman]

Ask and ye shall receive...
...read this and this and I reckon you'll find out.

bloody hell.

im starting to realise why a lot of people who aren't trots think all trots are mad Why are they going on about the imperialist structure of labour and then bringing people into the labour party at the same time?

 

[belboid]

I'm gonna have to give that article a proper read and see what it says before I get into a heated debate with you on that, coz I've gotta go out soon and I haven't got time to do it justice right now.

almost as silly as continuing to believe that the crisis was still at least five years off (thanks to the power of china) was the idea that, even tho the working-class was still in recovery from a period of massive defeats, and so massive workers militancy and large scale strike action were incredibly unlikely, it was still perfectly sane and rational to call for workers defence squads against the BNP, patrolling the streets and alleys to fight the fascists wherever they raised their heads

 

[chilango]

bloody hell.

im starting to realise why a lot of people who aren't trots think all trots are mad

I didn't read it.

 

[Delroy Booth]

I won't hear a bad word said about Bill "Lewisham Strangler" Jeffries.

Yeah he's fucking top guy he was the first person to come help us out when our house burnt down, spent all day with us sorting it out with us, we sent out texts to practically every lefty we knew in manchester asking for help and he was the one who actually came and did something.

 

[Geoff Collier]

Ask and ye shall receive...
...read this and this and I reckon you'll find out.

I never realised the Posadists were entrists in the Labour Party. How long has that been going on? Have they achieved much?

 

[frogwoman]

The same Labour Party structure that hatched New Labour is still with us. Hence Blair and New Labour did not steal the Party: they gave a voice to the hatred of National Conference, Clause Four and the Trade Union link of the apparatus itself. Following the collapse of the USSR, inner layers that were never socialist decided that communism was dead. New Labour was quick to grasp that capitalist money and rewards would go to those bold enough to put socialism in the grave.

Blair and Hutton left their posts suddenly. Why? The wind was changing and they fled: back to the bosom of the bourgeoisie and its rewards. They felt found out by the Party membership. The British masses rejected the imperialist role of Britain, and the Labour members repudiated Blair’s imperialist war. Blair lied about Iraq because he knew people rejected his war.

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