Why the lib-dems are shit

[Citizen66]

Like someone else, I forget who (sorry), mentioned earlier or elsewhere. They could make all manner of brilliant pledges when they didn't actually expect to end up in a position where they'd have to implement them.

But now they have found themselves on the corridors of power, it appears that they'll agree with absolutely anything just to keep the dream alive while it lasts.

Make the most of chaps. Because halley's comet needs to pass twice before you're allowed another sniff.

 

[creak]

Another one then. Clegg said he changed his mind over economic policy some time before the election as well, but of course he didn't tell the public about his volte-face until after the votes had been counted. FFS, people voted for the Lib Dems precisely because they promised to do the exact opposite of what they are doing, now they're actually in government... they've got fuck all credibility, fuck all legitimacy, and neither has the coalition these shameless turncoats are slavishly propping up. Moon can go fuck himself.

 

[Citizen66]

A fair few of the learned politicos on here warned against the lib dems for all these reasons. And they've been proven right the hard way.

 

[Combustible]

Another one then. Clegg said he changed his mind over economic policy some time before the election as well, but of course he didn't tell the public about his volte-face until after the votes had been counted.

He also only admitted he changed his mind before the election after being caught out several times lying about when/why he changed his mind (ie he claimed Mervyn King persuaded him after the election despite King saying he did no such thing).

 

[Roonster]

92 pages and counting of why the Lib-Dems are shit.. that's more than the total vote the Lib-Dems will get at the next General Election.. nuff said!

 

[frogwoman]

Cunts indeed, but (and I'm sure this has been pointed out already in this thread) cunts who are taking the heat of the architects of this shit. Clegg is Cameron's slimy human shield.

No I think they both are to be honest.

 

[butchersapron]

Just in case anyone can't be bothered to click on the link:

A month before Clegg pledged in April to scrap the "dead weight of debt", a secret team of key Lib Dems made clear that, in the event of a hung parliament, the party would not waste political capital defending its manifesto pledge to abolish university tuition fees within six years. In a document marked "confidential" and dated 16 March, the head of the secret pre-election coalition negotiating team, Danny Alexander, wrote: "On tuition fees we should seek agreement on part-time students and leave the rest. We will have clear yellow water with the other [parties] on raising the tuition fee cap, so let us not cause ourselves more headaches."

The Lib Dems made no attempt to stand by their two key economic election pledges – no deficit reduction this year and opposition to a VAT increase – in the coalition negotiations. A Clegg aide told Wilson: "The thing that changed minds was George Osborne saying that he had seen the figures and it was quite horrific in real life as opposed to spin life."

 

[butchersapron]

What's the difference between this deliberate lying on election and campaign material and the Woolas case btw?

 

[JimW]

clear yellow water

The piss-weak party.

 

[ymu]

What's the difference between this deliberate lying on election and campaign material and the Woolas case btw?

The NUS are trying something like that apparently - going for recall on the Lib Dem MPs who don't vote against the increases.

 

[butchersapron]

They can't really - it's unlikely to ever be legislated for ( you can bet the lib-dems will veto the pathetic proposal now) and the proposals only cover those convicted of serious criminal offences anyway.

Here's another one:

Nick Clegg: we got it wrong on Israel

..and look what mug they've managed to talk into sending this message

 

[butchersapron]

The NUS are trying something like that apparently - going for recall on the Lib Dem MPs who don't vote against the increases.

btw, Evan Harris - who i know some posters here had some illusions in - has come out attacking the proposed decapitation strategy of the NUS as a 'partisan stunt' and defending his parties lies on tuition fees and their total dishonesty.

 

[butchersapron]

It's not worked though. It's like the "War on Drugs" - at some point you have to accept that it's a lost battle. The Lib Dems would push for a form of PR. A shit form of PR, but at least it's a small step. PR would allow the 'minority' parties a greater say. It would be a small step towards combating the very problem (all the same) you're citing.

They've also got people like Evan Harris, who champions evidence-based decision making. His star appears to be rising. If people like him can gain influence, that can only be a good thing.

Yeah? Turned out to be the same as the rest of them didn't he?

 

[butchersapron]

Here the latest authoritarian initiative supported by the libertarian lib-dems:

The controversy comes as police arrested a 57th person in connection with last week's student march through London, which ended in violent scenes. As police face continued criticism for failing to control the march, the Observer has learned that defence firms are working closely with UK armed forces and contemplating a "militarisation" strategy to counter the threat of civil disorder.

The trade group representing the military and security industry says firms are in negotiation with senior officers over possible orders for armoured vehicles, body scanners and better surveillance equipment.

The move coincides with government-backed attempts to introduce the use of unmanned spy drones throughout UK airspace, facilitating an expansion of covert surveillance that could provide intelligence on future demonstrations.

 

[frogwoman]

They can't really - it's unlikely to ever be legislated for ( you can bet the lib-dems will veto the pathetic proposal now) and the proposals only cover those convicted of serious criminal offences anyway.

Here's another one:

Nick Clegg: we got it wrong on Israel

..and look what mug they've managed to talk into sending this message

Fucking cunts.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Here the latest authoritarian initiative supported by the libertarian lib-dems:

So much for their precious civil liberties.

 

[fractionMan]

I don't know why I'm continually surprised by how low they can go, but I am.

 

[Pickman's model]

Nick Clegg: we got it wrong on Israel

could you pls let me know when they're right on something.

 

[Fruitloop]

Here the latest authoritarian initiative supported by the libertarian lib-dems:

This has been coming for a long while hasn't it.

 

[frogwoman]

could you pls let me know when they're right on something.

You won't have long to wait Pickmans They're in government now so they're stopping the worst excesses of the Tories! Without the capable leadership of Clegg and Cable, who knows what might happen

 

[Pickman's model]

You won't have long to wait Pickmans They're in government now so they're stopping the worst excesses of the Tories! Without the capable leadership of Clegg and Cable, who knows what might happen

i was thinking more of some lemming like mass suicide of lib dem mps.

 

[frogwoman]

Why do you bitter, hate-fillled lefties always have to resort to violence? The class war ended a long time ago

 

[Pickman's model]

Why do you bitter, hate-fillled lefties always have to resort to violence?

it's not always.

it's only at demos.

 

[frogwoman]

All you outdated class warriors from the 70s should start to live in the real world and get a job

 

[Pickman's model]

All you outdated class warriors from the 70s should start to live in the real world and get a job

i'm quite happy with two jobs, thank you

 

[frogwoman]

Seriously, the class war is over. And the sooner we realise that capitalism is here to stay, the better. The most we can do is make it more ethical.

 

[Pickman's model]

Seriously, the class war is over. And the sooner we realise that capitalism is here to stay, the better. The most we can do is make it more ethical.

it's not here to stay because it's been in the fucking bathroom all morning. it's going to have to leave later, it behaves worse than that jazza out of the archers

 

[frogwoman]

You're just jealous because you wan't to have a bath but capitalism isnt letting you. Boo hoo, the politics of envy as usual.

 

[moon23]

Cunts indeed, but (and I'm sure this has been pointed out already in this thread) cunts who are taking the heat of the architects of this shit. Clegg is Cameron's slimy human shield.

The long term strategic mistake will be a failure of the Left to tackle the views of Conservative voters as it is so busy kicking of the Lib Dems for committing the ultimate sin of going into government with the Tories.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

The long term strategic mistake will be a failure of the Left to tackle the views of Conservative voters as it is so busy kicking of the Lib Dems for committing the ultimate sin of going into government with the Tories.

So it is the left's fault that people will get screwed and not the lib dems for providing lobby fodder...glad we've got that clear.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice