Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
It has but not by you.
Why Labour are Scum
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It has but not by you.
binka
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waiting until he has put in his nomination then once nominations are closed informing him that the ward he went for has been selected as an all woman shortlist
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
binka
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yes 100% stitch up. it isn't just happening to my dad but to at least one other person in the CLP who is also working class and a union man. they're trying to take it further but i think they're just realising that it isn't the labour party he joined in the 70s any more.That's bullshit. Stitch up.
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
My problem with Labour is more to do with its structure and content. I just don't accept they are any better than the Conservatives any more. The few areas where they do offer a few pennies for the working class are simply not worth voting for. The main problem is that any vote for Labour does not just legitimise them, but legitimises the electoral system that gives us Conservative governments. Whenever Labour fail, it is never construed as a failure of right-wing politics, which is inevitably the cause of social, economic and environmental decline (since they are a right-wing party). Their failures are construed as a failure of left-wing politics, and so, naturally, the Conservatives argue even more right-wing politics are justified.
I guess I have seen too many socialists waste their time hoping entryism will bring about socialism. The number and quality of activists of Labour these days suggest I am not the only one with this view. So, certainly my view now is don't bother. Don't ruin the left-wing brand with New Labour guff. They need lefties more than lefties need Labour tokenism to justify their relevance.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
What's the left-wing brand?
DairyQueen
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DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
they've also been purposefully disengaging with any left wing or working class base for the last 25 years and are now locked into a 'must be a tory lite' leadership cadres. How many labour-indy lash ups are their now? community labour? pariah we-don't-want-you-at-conference labour?
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
I know what you mean, it is all think tanks and guardian columnists pontificating about patriotism and how Labour can adopt right-wing populism into their rhetoric.
Fucking despicable
I hope even if your dad and the others can't fight this, they can at least do some damage, cause trouble in trying. Labour are dead to me.butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Fucking despicable
But now what?
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Well, the easy answer first. In terms of the GE. The Tories / Libdems aren't likely to win here AFAIK. So it will be TUSC or similar if standing otherwise abstaining.
The wider stuff. I am not sure TBH, not right now. Needs thinking about. I am not totally disengaged, - I do some voluntary work though not overly political.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Much as I can find some agreement with all-women shortlists, I'd much sooner see all non-graduate shortlists and all non-privately educated shortlists. As far as representation goes, it's the elephant in the room.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
That's quite an interesting point. I'd suggest that private education is a better wedge issue with which to fuck up nuLabour than graduate education though.
Plenty of bright working class kids with masses of student debt from Uni and no future, but very few of them are in a position to take up plum internships or otherwise get a foot on the ladder that leads to membership of the political class etc.
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binka
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my dad say's he has no problem at all with all women short lists but it's being used as a way to exclude people from the nomination process since the ward was only announced as all women once the nominations were closed. he's written a letter asking for them to tell him all the wards which will be all women so he doesn't put his name forward for any of them. i just feel really angry for him since he's dedicated pretty much his entire adult life to the local party and now some pricks who have been there 5 minutes are cunting him and his friend off because they don't fit the profile
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
20 years in sheffield. He must be a hell of a constituency worker to have stayed there that long
Are all woman shortlists imposed by the party? Preston (where I am) has the worst ratio of male to female Labour councillors in the country and while all woman shortlists are recommended, it's left to the local branches to actually sort it out. I know this 'cause my dad just had a massive fight on his hands trying to push an all woman shortlist through in the ward next to mine - he had very little support from the regional office. Suppose stuff might be different in different areas mind...
binka
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yeah i don't think they really give a fuck about all women shorlists it's just a way to exclude undesirables.
binka
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well i don't really want to go into massive personal detail on it but it's what he's told me. he doesn't think it's a personal 'lets not let binkas dad be a councillor' thing but a more general 'lets try and make sure our council candidates are from the professional middle class rather than the union involved working class'
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If you want me to reply, it's best to make sure my username is in the header!
What job? To destabilise further the already-destabilised social housing sector, to push more people into insecure tenure private renting, and to residualise social housing even further.
Thing is, on any calculation, the Bedroom Tax only needed to be instituted to have those effects, it doesn't need to be retained, as the social damage (pushing people into arrears, stripping local authorities of reserves for example) is already done and irreversible without an entire ideological turnaround.
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DairyQueen
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If you want me to reply, it's best to make sure my username is in the header!
What job? To destabilise further the already-destabilised social housing sector, to push more people into insecure tenure private renting, and to residualise social housing even further.
Thing is, on any calculation, the Bedroom Tax only needed to be instituted to have those effects, it doesn't need to be retained, as the social damage (pushing people into arrears, stripping local authorities of reserves for example) is already done and irreversible without an entire ideological turnaround.
I think that is true for a lot of the policies the Tories have brought in. Academies, NHS privatisations, Royal Mail, and even changes to policing. There is no way Labour will try and reverse these changes (it would require a huge amount of capital up front), so they will just shrug their shoulders and claim they are stopping further privatisations, when really they will do nothing of the sort. At least most Labour politicians are not racist and have fewer open homophobes, and I suppose that is the kind of thing that British elections are going to be decided on. America lite without any of the good stuff; the elected head of state, and a lot of decentralised power to individual states (much more than even Scotland has).
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Just to reiterate this point. That whenever you hear talk of localism, be wary. Labour and the Tories really don't trust their local offices at all. If you think corruption and incompetence is an issue at Westminster, the councils are rife with it. Genuine localism would be very unpopular, particularly in the cities where cronyism is so open and obvious. This is part of the reason for ring-fencing money to local authorities, if it did not happen so much would go 'missing' on projects with spurious benefits.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
safe as houses seat whoever stood there. That said, he was also a hell of a constituency worker, really put effort in and replied to letters, complaints etc with more than just PR guff and irrelevant bollocks.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
And so much easier than actually making an effort to make their party more inclusive to women. The fact that they need all-women shortlists to get more women into council seats just shows that they're failing to get as many women as men into the party, and there's no discussion of the reasons why this is the case or how it can be rectified.
The way Labour is picking parliamentary candidates with strong links to the existing party elite, and by extension excluding those from outside the political class, shows just how much they care about making their party inclusive. They'd rather run someone who has already left parliament in disgrace than someone from outside their circle-jerk.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Labour leader Ed Miliband said: “David Blunkett is a man whose commitment and determination have carried him to the highest positions in politics with one purpose – to serve the people of our country.”
The way I remember it most of his home office policies showed nothing but conempt for the people of this country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6057528.stm
rioted
redundant
Proposals to stop nuisance singing, games and kites being flown at Bestwood Country Park
Taliban faction at work.
Taliban faction at work.
Since our former Labour Councillor lost his seat to UKIP by 37 votes. He and two other party members have been around to the house three times asking why he lost and what is the remedy.
They are only going to the homes of known union activists and ex party members.
I don't know if they realise that the TUSC took 102 votes from locals who would possibly voted for Labour in the past
My point to them was like we all know on here that the Labour party is no longer seen as an alternative but the flip side of the same coin.
Waste of time telling them.
They cannot see the problem and I despair at people who after all the years of militant action we were involved with turn around when they become become Labour party candidates and become watered down Tories!
They are only going to the homes of known union activists and ex party members.
I don't know if they realise that the TUSC took 102 votes from locals who would possibly voted for Labour in the past
My point to them was like we all know on here that the Labour party is no longer seen as an alternative but the flip side of the same coin.
Waste of time telling them.
They cannot see the problem and I despair at people who after all the years of militant action we were involved with turn around when they become become Labour party candidates and become watered down Tories!
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