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danny la rouge said:
Two factions of the business party.

They're figures on the Trumpton Town Clock.
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We know this, I just don't think it changes anything.

Either we vote Labour or the Tories get in, I don't see any other outcome. Not voting, or voting for a minotiry like the Greens, will mean the Tories win. I wish it weren't so, but I do not see an alternative.
 
In truth, how I engage with politics has no connection whatsoever with the inane Westminster club. True, my dad was old enough to value the concept of a democracy founded on full adult suffrage....but I couldn't give a toss since the policies effected are invariably shit for me and mine. However, this does not mean that we are apolitical, just that we prefer to micro-manage our environment, our social relations and our hopes and aspirations in a more relevant arena.....and in that respect, it is of minimal import just what tribal grouping of business class nimwits get to relive their school debating days.
 
Awesome Wells said:
We know this, I just don't think it changes anything.

Either we vote Labour or the Tories get in, I don't see any other outcome. Not voting, or voting for a minotiry like the Greens, will mean the Tories win. I wish it weren't so, but I do not see an alternative.
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But you have been pushing Labour as an alternative, that's what you've been repeatedly doing for the last two pages.
 
Awesome Wells said:
I suppose the question is: do you think it will bebeter if IDS stays in post (assuming he isn't reshuffled following an election victory by the tories).

Agan, whatever Labour are saying I am not excusing using. But I do not think they will be as nasty or as bullying as IDS.
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So despite them screaming 'we'll be more nasty and bullying than IDS' at the top of their voices at every available opportunity you don't think they will really. Flawless logic as usual.
 
Awesome Wells said:
I suppose the question is: do you think it will bebeter if IDS stays in post (assuming he isn't reshuffled following an election victory by the tories).

Agan, whatever Labour are saying I am not excusing using. But I do not think they will be as nasty or as bullying as IDS.
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OFC i wouldn't want to see IDS staying in post, frankly i'd like to see him swing from a post. However, i remain unconvinced that Labour will be any less nasty or bullying than the Tories when it comes to benefit claimants. Let's not forget who kicked off a lot of this 'strivers vs skivers' shite in the first instance...
 
agricola said:
TBF I dont think they will be nastier than IDS, they will shaft everyone on JSA in a much friendlier way than he would.
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Yes, they'll smile at you and act all apologetic about it - and probably won't enjoy it as much. But the effect will be the same at best.
 
IPPR Trustees, with it's Chair Baron Adonis. ...Sir John Armitt who at Railtrack earned £1m+ salary package as a public employee. Then there's Baron John Leonard Eatwell. ...Baron Clive Hollick ...Baroness Parminter.
 
xenon said:
Neoliberal list shit stains, yeah, I hate Ed Miliband to. What do you do next May then. Assuming there is no insurrection in the meantime. I don't actually hate Miliband, I just think he's a fuck wit. Man the barricades, stockpiled weapons you can't have.
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I'd get someone to take my temperature if I were you :D
 
Yep, that's right, my disillusionment with this country's political class is all about my desire to show i'm more cynical and world-weary than the next person. Nothing else, just that. :rolleyes:
 
redsquirrel said:
But you have been pushing Labour as an alternative, that's what you've been repeatedly doing for the last two pages.
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I'm pushing them out of necessity as the only alternative in2015. I'd love a better choice, believe me!
Nylock said:
OFC i wouldn't want to see IDS staying in post, frankly i'd like to see him swing from a post. However, i remain unconvinced that Labour will be any less nasty or bullying than the Tories when it comes to benefit claimants. Let's not forget who kicked off a lot of this 'strivers vs skivers' shite in the first instance...
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And I agree, but what other choice is there next year?
 
SpineyNorman said:
So despite them screaming 'we'll be more nasty and bullying than IDS' at the top of their voices at every available opportunity you don't think they will really. Flawless logic as usual.
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No I actually don't think they will be worse. I'm not sure it's even possible to be worse given what a Tory majority will produce.

If nothing else labor had promised to end the bedroom tax. Of course there's every chance that's s lie, buy is more than the Tories are promising. Who knows how much worse the tax will be if they get in?

Unfortunately, in your hyperbole flecked personal ranting against me you've lost sight of the point I'm making.
 
Awesome Wells said:
I'm pushing them out of necessity as the only alternative in2015. I'd love a better choice, believe me!

And I agree, but what other choice is there next year?
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If they're the only alternative then you don't need to push them, you could do something more constructive with your time and energy.

Instead of asking over and over "what choice do we have next year?" Ask what choices you have *right now* and then act on your answer. Last time I suggested an immediate way of getting involved in something you just said I'm not getting involved with those pricks, they don't even support labour. The logic of your position already cutting down and rejecting attempts to go beyond labour, and on a nakedly sectarian basis.

Edit: for an example of how this plays out right now see the semi pending defence of labour's proposed draconian cuts on the other thread.
 
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Nylock said:
Yep, that's right, my disillusionment with this country's political class is all about my desire to show i'm more cynical and world-weary than the next person. Nothing else, just that. :rolleyes:
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Well done. Have a fucking biscuit.

OK more soberly. I get that this thread serves to highlight Labour's naked duplicity, their ideological adherence to the same Neo Liberalist economic policies as the rest, driven by and captured by the same forces. So now what. What do you tell someone who's only real political engagement is in voting every few years. What's the message other than snearing bumfuck jokes and I'm considerably more sinacle than you repasts. Negativity and cultivating dispair is all it looks like.

Yeah admittedly I haven't helped here. What's to be done then. Join a union, agitate. Do something locally. Build something. Stay off twitter.
 
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xenon said:
Well done. Have a fucking biscuit.
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Well done for cleaning up the shit you spouted all over the thread last night... If you're so fucking right in what you say, why bother retracting it you aggressive gobshite. Now take your biscuit and shove it up your arse.

E2A: Nice edit there. I'll leave your original, unedited post in the quotation if it's all the same to you. At least that way any future hostility on this thread between us will have some context.
 
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treelover said:
Yes, Milliband major announcement speech tomorrow: JSA abolished for under 21, must do training, a new means tested benefit to be instigated

so, even less independence for the young, one milllion now unemployed, zero hours contracts, hassle from the DWP, etc, how much more can they tolerate?

what will happen to young on ESA under 21?


btw, these policies have come from the IPPR who also led the charge to abolish IB
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Britain resembles East Germany more every year in terms of surveillance, forced work and censorship, but without the good parts like jobs paying enough to live on and housing.
 
Nylock said:
Well done for cleaning up the shit you spouted all over the thread last night... If you're so fucking right in what you say, why bother retracting it you aggressive gobshite. Now take your biscuit and shove it up your arse.

E2A: Nice edit there. I'll leave your original, unedited post in the quotation if it's all the same to you. At least that way any future hostility on this thread between us will have some context.
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The edit was an attempt to clarify. The tidying up of last night's posts because they were incoherent. The aggression, well honestly nothing personal, it's just how it is sometimes.
 
Awesome Wells said:
No I actually don't think they will be worse. I'm not sure it's even possible to be worse given what a Tory majority will produce.

If nothing else labor had promised to end the bedroom tax. Of course there's every chance that's s lie, buy is more than the Tories are promising. Who knows how much worse the tax will be if they get in?

Unfortunately, in your hyperbole flecked personal ranting against me you've lost sight of the point I'm making.
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So them promising to end the bedroom tax (the death of which is aready in the post whoever gets in) more than makes up for them denying JSA to under 21s/no qualifications?

Unfortunately, in your sanctimony flecked naive attempts to see in positives in labour you've lost sight of reality.
 
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