Why Labour are Scum

[ska invita]

I heard about the proposed £10 a month payment to access the NHS and presumed it was a Tory initiative to create a thin-end-of-the-wedge culture of paying for health... just found out it came from a Labour Lord. The shock has worn off...

 

[treelover]

Just like to ask why posters think(if they do) that labour has been such a poor opposition?, with the exceptions of bruisers like John Mann and campaigners like Tom Harris, they have been ineffectual, is this because they basically share the same policies, just a poor shadow front bench, is it that oppositions barely oppose these days, Cameron didn't, in the past one can remember Robin Cook making mincemeat of his opposite number, etc.

 

[Nylock]

Because they are shit </delroy>

 

[SikhWarrioR]

I heard about the proposed £10 a month payment to access the NHS and presumed it was a Tory initiative to create a thin-end-of-the-wedge culture of paying for health... just found out it came from a Labour Lord. The shock has worn off...

This Singh got disillusioned with kinnock after he sat on his arse during the miners strike but it was the arrival of blair, brown, mandelson and the rest of the proto-tory third way neo-labour crowd that finally finished labour of for me 1997 blair gets elected 1997 I not only cancel my labour party membership but stopped voting for them as well

 

[brogdale]

From the Guardian live feed...

9.45am BST

Ed Miliband will visit Thurrock tomorrow. Labour expected to win Thurrock council last week – it didn't, losing the council to no overall control after Ukip took an extra five seats (two from Labour, three from the Tories) to add to the one it held already. Ukip won 39% of the vote there.

LOL

 

[Dogsauce]

I herad someone after the locals saying that the party would now project a firmer message on immigration or some such bollocks.

How about a firmer message on ending rail privatisation, standing up for the NHS and stuff like that?

Going on about immigration just plays up to an agenda that they can never win on, and one that is less important with voters than the BBC etc. might have you think.

 

[Flanflinger]

This Singh got disillusioned with kinnock after he sat on his arse during the miners strike but it was the arrival of blair, brown, mandelson and the rest of the proto-tory third way neo-labour crowd that finally finished labour of for me 1997 blair gets elected 1997 I not only cancel my labour party membership but stopped voting for them as well

Doesn't look like they've missed you.

 

[treelover]

At the Thurrock meeting, Milliband says the DWP will have to change, while Cruddas is citing the voluntary sector as a key driver of change,

I suspect they are planning to cut public services and hive off more to the V/S, volunteers, families, etc, this is already happening at council level.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-expose-ukip-politics-live-blog?commentpage=4

btw, look at the Guardian politics update, all the Blairites to a man or woman support Blair's position on mass immigration. Hutton for instance was instrumental in bringing in the brutal welfare reforms, not much compassion there, so his support must be on economic grounds.

 

[Awesome Wells]

http://www.greenbenchesuk.com/2014/01/100-labour-party-policies-ed-milibands.html

Whether they keep all 100 is another matter of course.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Got to say, as an example of how out of touch Milliband is, that picture of him posing with a copy of the Sun takes some beating.

What the fuck was he thinking?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jun/13/edmiliband-sun

 

[DotCommunist]

election next year

 

[brogdale]

Got to say, as an example of how out of touch Milliband is, that picture of him posing with a copy of the Sun takes some beating.

What the fuck was he thinking?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2014/jun/13/edmiliband-sun

Miliband apologised to the MPs

 

[Bernie Gunther]

election next year

You mean that all three parties thought they required the support of the notorious criminal organisation which owns the Sun, to stand a chance?

Not going to do him much good on Merseyside, but I guess that's not where he's looking to grab votes off the Con-Dems ...

 

[treelover]

Don't 4m people read The Sun?, that's a lot of votes to be had.

I use the term 'read' loosely

 

[ska invita]

What the fuck was he thinking?

He was thinking it shared his One Nation line

 

[quiquaquo]

Used my copy to put under the cat's food bowl. She came upstairs at half five this morning and threw up right by the bed and is off to the vet later. Bastard Murdoch poisoning our moggies.

 

[treelover]

Labour needs to be candid about the painful cuts it will have to make
Behind the scenes, Labour's Treasury team has begun to identify how it would squeeze spending to balance the books if the party were to win power

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...st-be-candid-about-painful-cuts-it-would-make

If Labour get in people are going to get disillusioned very rapidly.

 

[Awesome Wells]

If Labour get in people are going to get disillusioned very rapidly.

Very probably.

But they won't be the tories.

 

[Nylock]

So it's ok to get buttfucked by the powers that be provided they ain't tory?

dear lord....

 

[Awesome Wells]

So it's ok to get buttfucked by the powers that be provided they ain't tory?

dear lord....

Is that what I said?

 

[butchersapron]

It's a reasonable interpretation of what you said. Such was your ambiguity that he was forced to ask you to clarify - which you have failed to do.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Either vote TOry and get more of the same which noone wants.

Or vote Labour and hope, maybe foolishly, that just maybe they deliver on something.

Because those are the only choices we have next year. I fully accept this is hobson's choice, but that's the reality given that the Green's aren't going to win, we don't want Ukip, and the unions won't strike. So we're left with a hung parliament and the remnant of libdems going back into government with the coalition, which they will.

Labour are, sadly, the only choice, and yes that means a useless robot leader, a puffed up ignorant twat of a chancellors and the rest of the hopeless capitalist toadies.

But they aren't the tories and we all know it will be social armageddon if they win. Just think what IDS will do if they get a mandate! The welfare state, what's lesft of it now, will be gone in a year. The NHS likewise.

There's a possibility that won't happen under Labour, if only postponed.

 

[Nylock]

There's a possibility that won't happen under Labour, if only postponed.

From the people that brought us the wonders of PFI and the extension of Thatcherite policies? Labour have effectively promised 'more of the same' if they were to get in. Where's the commitments to repeal some of the worst that has been enacted by this government? Where's the offering of a genuine alternative to this slow-motion neoliberal car crash we are all part of? Nowhere, that's where. At least not from Labour. Because they are effectively the different arsehole from which the same shit dumps down upon us.

It's hard to think of what's more tragic: the possibility of a Tory government returning to power and giving us more of the same, but more viciously; the possibility of Labour government being elected to power and giving us more of the same, but more insidiously; or that treacherous bunch of fuckwits and sock-puppets from the libdems entering coalition with one of the other two and offering more of the same, but with added tears and incompetence. The whole damn merry go round is a fucking joke -except it's the political classes and their paymasters that are having all the laughs. At our expense.

/rant.

 

[J Ed]

I literally have no idea what advantages Labour offer in reality.

They haven't, won't and cannot apologise for Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, PFI, NHS privatisation, persecution of the unemployed and disabled, the bedroom tax (proposing and voting for it), tuition fees, racist immigration policies, not repealing anti-labour legislation, kowtowing to News International, attacks on civil liberties, academies, faith schools, the 'Blue Labour' bullshit, cash for peerages, Giddens, GCHQ, the socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor of the bank bailouts, continued integration and federalisation of Europe against the consent of the peoples of Europe...

I'm terrified of these people having a mandate, almost as terrified as the blue and yellow Tories ever being near power again.

 

[Awesome Wells]

From the people that brought us the wonders of PFI and the extension of Thatcherite policies? Labour have effectively promised 'more of the same' if they were to get in. Where's the commitments to repeal some of the worst that has been enacted by this government? Where's the offering of a genuine alternative to this slow-motion neoliberal car crash we are all part of? Nowhere, that's where. At least not from Labour. Because they are effectively the different arsehole from which the same shit dumps down upon us.

It's hard to think of what's more tragic: the possibility of a Tory government returning to power and giving us more of the same, but more viciously; the possibility of Labour government being elected to power and giving us more of the same, but more insidiously; or that treacherous bunch of fuckwits and sock-puppets from the libdems entering coalition with one of the other two and offering more of the same, but with added tears and incompetence. The whole damn merry go round is a fucking joke -except it's the political classes and their paymasters that are having all the laughs. At our expense.

/rant.

I'm not disagreeing with any of this, I'm just trying to look at this practically. What we really need we just aren't going to get: a completely new system. But I don't see that happening in2015. In my estimation, the only choice that will be available in2015 is, deplorably, is labour. I agree with all of the accusations levelled at their feet, but what else do we do that won't put either the tortures or this coalition back into power.

 

[_angel_]

Either vote TOry and get more of the same which noone wants.

Or vote Labour and hope, maybe foolishly, that just maybe they deliver on something.

Because those are the only choices we have next year. I fully accept this is hobson's choice, but that's the reality given that the Green's aren't going to win, we don't want Ukip, and the unions won't strike. So we're left with a hung parliament and the remnant of libdems going back into government with the coalition, which they will.

Labour are, sadly, the only choice, and yes that means a useless robot leader, a puffed up ignorant twat of a chancellors and the rest of the hopeless capitalist toadies.

But they aren't the tories and we all know it will be social armageddon if they win. Just think what IDS will do if they get a mandate! The welfare state, what's lesft of it now, will be gone in a year. The NHS likewise.

There's a possibility that won't happen under Labour, if only postponed.

Who do you think started this crap? Jesus.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Who do you think started this crap? Jesus.

What's the alternative then?

This is how shit things have become: either we get more of the same or we hope, however naively, that maybe, just maybe, might, miliblsnd might take the pressure of if only slightly.

The problem is that if you don't vote then you we as well be voting Tory because the only people that will be left voting are Tory supporters.

 

[brogdale]

So The Scum says that Balls has employed 4 people on Zero hours contracts. His response is fucking lame in an 'only following orders' sort of way...

“On the advice of IPSA we use their casual contracts solely to allow us to pay the living wage to interns and students on temporary placements. Labour’s policy is to tackle the exploitative use of zero-hours contracts, for example by ensuring that employees who have worked regular hours over a year automatically get a fixed hours contract.”

Also, since when has it been made illegal to pay people a living wage on a proper contract?

Ball's hypocrisy draws this mocking from the capitalist scum of the IoD...

“The fact that so many students and young people are employed by Labour MPs in this way further undermines the calls from the far left to ban such contracts all together. Thankfully, cooler heads have prevailed and the Labour policy on Zero Hours Contracts is now pretty sensible. Just don’t tell Oxfam…”

ffs

 

[treelover]

Milliband is going to make a major policy speech later this week based on a report by that well known left wing think tank the IPPR, Cruddas is said to be elated.

oh, its on the day of the England Vs Uruguay game, just who is advising him?

 

[Awesome Wells]

Milliband is going to make a major policy speech later this week based on a report by that well known left wing think tank the IPPR, Cruddas is said to be elated.

oh, its on the day of the England Vs Uruguay game, just who is advising him?

Murdoch by the sounds of things.