Why Labour are Scum

[ItWillNeverWork]

The more they fuck unemployed people, the more effective the reserve pool of labour becomes in allowing them to fuck the rest of us by downward pressure on pay and conditions. And this is sold as something that will benefit working people. The opportunistic politics of spite and resentment. Divide and rule. Squeezing out political (and economic) capital though the exploitation of xenophobia (and workers).

[/obvious, pissed-off rant at the fucking obvious.] Wankers!

 

[ViolentPanda]

For some strange reason, I'm fairly certain that such a barrier is currently in place anyway, except with those EU states we have reciprocal agreements with. If he's talking about unilaterally breaking those reciprocal agreements, then he's also talking about being hauled over the euro-coals for breach of contract.

 

[Balbi]

Innit. Blatant kipper fishing.

 

[Awesome Wells]

And all the expats living in their Costa Del Enclaves, they never use the local hospitals or doctors nor enjoy a British pension.

This is all that's being discussed: immigration/Eu bollocks. yesterday's hospital debacle, doesn't get a look in.

 

[J Ed]

From Sheffield Uni:

"Thanks to Liam Byrne MP for getting involved in our international selfie campaign. You can still submit a selfie with a friend of a different nationality to help us show that friendships have no barriers#WeAreInternational #StandByMe http://goo.gl/0l1K1h "

 

[DotCommunist]

And all the expats living in their Costa Del Enclaves, they never use the local hospitals or doctors nor enjoy a British pension.

This is all that's being discussed: immigration/Eu bollocks. yesterday's hospital debacle, doesn't get a look in.

that seems to be the entire agenda for all of them. immigrants, benefits, foreign adventures. God fobid someone should mention anything like housing, corruption, police cover ups etc

 

[TrickyDicky]

When will working class people realize that the Labour Movement fouded by the unions to improve the status and welbeing of manual workers has been infiltrated by Ramsey McDonald clones. It is their CLASS interest to make sure that Labour never comes to power hence the latest anouncement on NO referendum on EU membership.

 

[J Ed]

Labour to vote for Osborne's welfare cap next week

 

[treelover]

What are the implications of a cap?, as usual the media is reporting it as an abstraction, would it mean that for instance when the HB budget is spent, there would be no more housing benefit that year, or even JSA, that would lead to chaos and misery. have the L/P thought this through.

 

[articul8]

Depends - rent controls would help bring HB bill down and meet cap. Doubt that is what they have in mind though

 

[treelover]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/25/labour-mps-rebel-cap-welfare-spending


Looks like New New Labour are set to vote for the welfare cap

with a few rebels

 

[tony.c]

There was some New Labour shadow minister on Radio 4 this morning saying that Milliband had been calling for a cap on welfare benefits last year, before the Tories.

 

[SikhWarrioR]

So we can now no longer see where Blue conservatives end and Red conservatives begin added to Yellow conservatives and UKIP conservatives just who to we vote for at the 2015 general election for real change and social justice

 

[SpookyFrank]

Depends - rent controls would help bring HB bill down and meet cap. Doubt that is what they have in mind though

I hear they're also going to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, ban zero hour contracts, outlaw letting agency fees and cancel all private sector work program contracts with immediate effect.

Either that or they're going to make no effort at all to tackle the causes of rising welfare costs, and simply place an arbitrary and unworkable cap on total spending to appease reactionary morons.

 

[danny la rouge]

The fucking scum Tory-alike Labour Party has voted for the cap.

Only 22 MPs voted against.

 

[Roadkill]

The fucking scum Tory-alike Labour Party has voted for the cap.

Only 22 MPs voted against.

FFS.

 

[eatmorecheese]

"Tough Choices"

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The fucking scum Tory-alike Labour Party has voted for the cap.

Only 22 MPs voted against.

And only 13 were Labour according to the NS.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/03/labour-welfare-cap-rebels-full-list

 

[Pickman's model]

So we can now no longer see where Blue conservatives end and Red conservatives begin added to Yellow conservatives and UKIP conservatives just who to we vote for at the 2015 general election for real change and social justice

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

 

[nino_savatte]

The Labour Party: more useless than a chocolate teapot.

 

[geminisnake]

The fucking scum Tory-alike Labour Party has voted for the cap.

Only 22 MPs voted against.

Aye, and some of them would be those nasty/evil SNP ones

 

[treelover]

"Rachel said - correctly - she would be tougher than the Tories on welfare. We are the Labour Party not the Dole Party."

Ex Blair adviser John McTernan Tweet

 

[Awesome Wells]

Ex Blair adviser John McTernan Tweet

Paging Kate Green MP...

 

[treelover]

Labour opinion poll support falls to lowest level since 2010 election
Labour's two-point fall in Opinium/Observer poll leaves it just one point ahead of the Tories, with Ukip up to 15%

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...lls-lowest-2010-observer-opinium-opinion-poll

What do urban psephologists think of this?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

What do urban psephologists think of this?

would, as usual with polls, be interested to know how much the 'don't know' or 'balls to the lot of them' party has done.

as i've said before, there doesn't seem to be an answer. a good poll and new labour takes it as validation for having moved further right, a bad poll and they take it as a sign they haven't moved far enough right.

 

[goldenecitrone]

What do urban psephologists think of this?

Still a year to go. Can Labour actually get any worse? Possibly. They should be miles ahead with this bunch of cunts in power.

 

[Delroy Booth]

What do urban psephologists think of this?

I dunno, perhaps there's some kind of political polling thread you could've asked on...

In all seriousness I'd take the Guardian's reportage of these things a little bit cautiously. They aren't too keep on showing it when Labour are doing well, they've spent the best part of the last 3 years trying to oust Ed Miliband, pushing for a Lib-Lab coalition, backing David Miliband and Progess and remember who it was they backed in the Gen Election last time round? The Liberal fucking Democrats.

Don't ever look at one poll in isolation look at the trend.

 

[ferrelhadley]

Don't ever look at one poll in isolation look at the trend.

Most post budget polls have shown a narrowing of Labours lead.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Most post budget polls have shown a narrowing of Labours lead.

true enough but this one seems a bit away from the trend and so shouldn't be compared to other polling companies, which use different methologies and so on.

Labour's average is what 36 in most polls? That's within the margin of error of the 37/38 that they've had for the last 2 years and is more than enough to win them the GE. The narrowing of the gap has been due to the Tory's polls creeping up, mainy at UKIP's expense, rather than any sort of collapse in Labour numbers.

But now we get a poll that says Labour have dropped 4 points to 33, and Tories (unlike every other poll in the country) haven't increased at all from the 32 they've been getting for ages, which goes against the trend we're seeing in all the other polling data. So even though the poll says "1 point lead" it's actually saying something very different to the rest of the polls, but that isn't being reported. I suspect this poll is an outlier, that Labour is actually steady on 37 or something, and that the Tories have crept up a bit over the last few months, which is what most of the other polls are saying.

 

[DairyQueen]

It could all just be the euro election effect.