Why Labour are Scum

[Obnoxiousness]

Britain doesn't have political parties anymore, we just have politicians, and you cannot tell any of them apart.
Except perhaps for Caroline Lucas and George Galloway, who are at least different.

 

[barney_pig]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26404168
When that cunt returns from thatchers crypt you know they have reached the very bottom of the barrel.
( though that doesn't mean they can't go lower)

 

[Brechin Sprout]

Labour says it will keep Gove school reforms

AND more maths and English for 18 year olds.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Tristram Hunt, what a proper Jeremy Hunt.

 

[nino_savatte]

There was an awful lot of blue in the Labour conference backdrop and now Dr Death (David Owen) has congratulated Miliband and bunged the party some wedge.

More than 30 years after walking out of the Labour party over its then failure to reform, Lord Owen praised Mr Miliband for his “brave and bold” decision to change union influence in leadership elections. The former Foreign Secretary announced he was donating £7,500 to Labour and gave his backing to Mr Miliband’s bid to become Prime Minister, warning that the NHS would be “completely destroyed” by 2020 unless there was a change of Government.

At a special conference in east London to approve Labour’s sweeping changes, which saw the abolition of the electoral college and the introduction a true one member one vote system, Mr Miliband won a strong mandate for reform, with 86 per cent of delegates in support.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-owen-as-labour-approves-reforms-9162835.html

Naturally, Labourlist isn't happy. Mr Ed said:

“Lord Owen’s support today is welcome. It is 33 years since he left our party and much has happened since. In our many conversations over the past few years, I have come to value his friendship and insight into politics. I value his support and respect his decision to remain an independent member of the House of Lords.”

http://labourlist.org/2014/03/milib...aign=Feed:+LabourListLatestPosts+(LabourList)

 

[goldenecitrone]

AND more maths and English for 18 year olds.

Good. More work for maths and English teachers.

 

[Brechin Sprout]

Good. More work for maths and English teachers.

Will nobody think of the children?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Will nobody think of the children?

Literacy and numeracy rates are appalling in the UK. This gives students an extra couple of years to acquire some pretty vital life skills.

 

[Brechin Sprout]

Literacy and numeracy rates are appalling in the UK. This gives students an extra couple of years to acquire some pretty vital life skills.

16 year olds have had getting on for 13 years of numeracy and literacy. Those whose numeracy and literacy levels are low will already had years of intervention, of extra reading and writing. You want to spend another two years of forcing square pegs into round holes by continuing hitting them with hammers. Why not try teaching them some ACTUAL life skills instead? Or recognising that clause analysis and calculus are not needed for very many jobs?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Why not try teaching them some ACTUAL life skills instead? Or recognising that clause analysis and calculus are not needed for very many jobs?

Reading, writing and being able to deal with financial information are ACTUAL life skills. There are many different reasons why people may not have picked them up sooner. It's only fair to give them another chance in FE.

 

[classicdish]

Or recognising that clause analysis and calculus are not needed for very many jobs?

What kind of skills do you recommend so that we don't end up losing high value employment/sectors to other countries? (what kind of jobs *don't* need numeracy and literacy?)

 

[Brechin Sprout]

What kind of skills do you recommend so that we don't end up losing high value employment/sectors to other countries? (what kind of jobs *don't* need numeracy and literacy?)

You're missing the point. You don't lose high value employment and highly skilled technicians by not bullying low achieving 16 year olds into more of the same stuff that gets them disaffected, disillusioned and disruptive.

 

[Balbi]

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/feb/28/primary-school-teachers-work-60-hour-week

Teachers work 60 hour weeks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26405714

Hunt refuses to change Gove's 'reforms'.

 

[classicdish]

You're missing the point. You don't lose high value employment and highly skilled technicians by not bullying low achieving 16 year olds into more of the same stuff that gets them disaffected, disillusioned and disruptive.

But its going to be for *all* 16 to 18 year olds isn't it? Even if a minority are still 'failed/failing' the average standard will rise won't it? Which will put the UK in a better position vis-a-vis other countries surely?

 

[_angel_]

Better off putting the money into adult education and letting people do things when they actually want to? But no, more bossiness.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I don't like this Tristram Hunt at all, even if it would be ridiculous for him to outright say 'yes we will fire all these people instantly and immediately'. It's Andrew Shill interviewing him after all.

 

[treelover]

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/feb/28/primary-school-teachers-work-60-hour-week

Teachers work 60 hour weeks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26405714

Hunt refuses to change Gove's 'reforms'.

A Labour Govt, if there is to be one, isn't going to have much of a honeymoon this time.

 

[Obnoxiousness]

I liked this chap...

 

[isvicthere?]

16 year olds have had getting on for 13 years of numeracy and literacy. Those whose numeracy and literacy levels are low will already had years of intervention, of extra reading and writing. You want to spend another two years of forcing square pegs into round holes by continuing hitting them with hammers. Why not try teaching them some ACTUAL life skills instead? Or recognising that clause analysis and calculus are not needed for very many jobs?

Literacy is not an "actual" life skill?

 

[Brechin Sprout]

Literacy is not an "actual" life skill?

Keep flogging the dead horse, then.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Tristram Hunt, what a proper Jeremy Hunt.

He's not just a Jeremy Hunt, he's a James Blunt too.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Fortunately (though perhaps not) there wont' be a Labour candidate locally next year; it's always been between Tory and LibDem.

Unfortunately it's always been between Tory and Libdem

 

[SpookyFrank]

Literacy and numeracy rates are appalling in the UK. This gives students an extra couple of years to acquire some pretty vital life skills.

Statistics do not tell you anything about the needs or abilities of individual children. Standardised testing, of the sort that gives us so many wonderful statistics in the first place, is actively detrimental to children's learning because it creates arbitrary cut off points by which teachers have to cram a certain amount of stuff into every kid by fair means or foul.

 

[Balbi]

 

[Pickman's model]

tell you what, let's strip former members of parliament of their civil rights for a year. and bar them from speaking in public ever again.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Ooh ooh! Can I play?

I say bar them for seven months!

Call it motherfucker!

Jesus it's the race to the bottom. Sad thing is, it won't matter how desperately Milibland attempts to curry the right wing media favour, they will alwyas regard Labour as the party that 'opened te floodgates'.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ooh ooh! Can I play?

I say bar them for seven months!

Call it motherfucker!

Jesus it's the race to the bottom. Sad thing is, it won't matter how desperately Milibland attempts to curry the right wing media favour, they will alwyas regard Labour as the party that 'opened te floodgates'.

good point. tie miliband to a post on the somerset levels then.

 

[Balbi]

There's a definite irony in Miliband trying to curry the UKIP vote, seeing as how most of them want to eat the curry as long as all the forrens aren't around.

 

[Balbi]

 

[Pickman's model]

There's a definite irony in Miliband trying to curry the UKIP vote, seeing as how most of them want to eat the curry as long as all the forrens aren't around.

the worst curry i ever had was in a curry house in killarney with nary an indian in sight.