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Why Labour are Scum

Looking at shadow health secretary Andy Burnham and his man-of-the-people, football-loving, one-of-the-lads-drinking-bitter patter, he hardly screams Riviera chic. His wife, however, can be found tweeting about hosting drinks ‘on our boat in Cannes harbour’.
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http://www.spectator.co.uk/spectator-life/spectator-life-life/9022871/socialist-climbing/


Just found this article, from the Spectator but even with knowing already about Ed's wealth, etc, the extent of the rest of the top ranks moolah is revealing.
 
Awesome Wells said:
Either vote TOry and get more of the same which noone wants.

Or vote Labour and hope, maybe foolishly, that just maybe they deliver on something.

Because those are the only choices we have next year. I fully accept this is hobson's choice, but that's the reality given that the Green's aren't going to win, we don't want Ukip, and the unions won't strike. So we're left with a hung parliament and the remnant of libdems going back into government with the coalition, which they will.

Labour are, sadly, the only choice, and yes that means a useless robot leader, a puffed up ignorant twat of a chancellors and the rest of the hopeless capitalist toadies.

But they aren't the tories and we all know it will be social armageddon if they win. Just think what IDS will do if they get a mandate! The welfare state, what's lesft of it now, will be gone in a year. The NHS likewise.

There's a possibility that won't happen under Labour, if only postponed.
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And that, your final line, is exactly what Mili-twat's strategy planners are hoping people think. After all, it'd buy them a win, without them having to do anything messy like making manifesto pledges and then honouring them.
 
Nylock said:
From the people that brought us the wonders of PFI and the extension of Thatcherite policies? Labour have effectively promised 'more of the same' if they were to get in. Where's the commitments to repeal some of the worst that has been enacted by this government? Where's the offering of a genuine alternative to this slow-motion neoliberal car crash we are all part of? Nowhere, that's where. At least not from Labour. Because they are effectively the different arsehole from which the same shit dumps down upon us.

It's hard to think of what's more tragic: the possibility of a Tory government returning to power and giving us more of the same, but more viciously; the possibility of Labour government being elected to power and giving us more of the same, but more insidiously; or that treacherous bunch of fuckwits and sock-puppets from the libdems entering coalition with one of the other two and offering more of the same, but with added tears and incompetence. The whole damn merry go round is a fucking joke -except it's the political classes and their paymasters that are having all the laughs. At our expense.

/rant.
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Cool rant, Bro! :cool:
 
J Ed said:
I literally have no idea what advantages Labour offer in reality.

They haven't, won't and cannot apologise for Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, PFI, NHS privatisation, persecution of the unemployed and disabled, the bedroom tax (proposing and voting for it), tuition fees, racist immigration policies, not repealing anti-labour legislation, kowtowing to News International, attacks on civil liberties, academies, faith schools, the 'Blue Labour' bullshit, cash for peerages, Giddens, GCHQ, the socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor of the bank bailouts, continued integration and federalisation of Europe against the consent of the peoples of Europe...

I'm terrified of these people having a mandate, almost as terrified as the blue and yellow Tories ever being near power again.
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In reality, they offer no advantages, just the same neolib policies, but with a few bits of ameliorationist PR thrown in. Same shit, different arseholes.
 
ViolentPanda said:
And that, your final line, is exactly what Mili-twat's strategy planners are hoping people think. After all, it'd buy them a win, without them having to do anything messy like making manifesto pledges and then honouring them.
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Super.

So that's the tories in power then for another 5 years.

What's your alternative?
 
Awesome Wells said:
Super.

So that's the tories in power then for another 5 years.

What's your alternative?
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You don't get it, do you?
There isn't any meaningful alternative. All three mainstream parties (and just about every minor party) are signed up to the neoliberal agenda. All that varies is how those policies get sold to the public. Vote Labour and what comes to pass will be the same, in substance, as what would/will/has happened under the coalition, just with different window-dressing.
I challenge anyone who doesn't agree with this to find me a single substantive policy (i.e. not a minor addition or addendum to a policy to mildly ameliorate it) from Labour or the Lib-Dims that goes against the neoliberal line.
 
It's you that doesn't get it.

The tories think labour are socialist lefties. Voting the tories out sends them a message. It makes them think. It makes them pick useless leaders like Hague, Howard and IDS, while they sit in the wilderness.

If all things are completely equal, and they are not, then this alone is better than the current situation which is the best case scenario if you refuse to vote next year.

You keep missing the point: it isn't about whether or not Labour are wonderful and lovely. It's about the fact they are NOT the tories.

It's about getting this current lot, including the likes of IDS, out. Noone comes close to this guy for sheer bloody minded almost religious zealotry. if we manage to get him out then that alone is enough of a victory.

At the very least they have more wright of expectation than any other government if they get in. They have promised a repeal of the Bedroom Tax, whether or not you believe they will follow through, that's still more than you will get from the tories, which is who will win othereiwse.

Like it or not, Labour are the ONLY choice next year. The electoral system isn't going to change and while it might be a self fulfilling prophecy to say so, the Greens are too much of a gamble, even though i'd happily give them a chance.
 
danny la rouge said:
No they don't. They just say that. It's a "bit" they do. The harder of thinking ex army officers who read the Telegraph might really believe it, but the Tories know very well what Labour's about.
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Well assuming that's true, so what?

Either we continue with a nasty self entitled bully called Iain, or we get Rachel Reeves who, for all her silly claims about being tougher than the tories on the benefit bill (whatever that means), hasnt' given me any reason to make me think a) she'll be worse (if that's actually possible) and b) that she'll even be the same.

I would much rather have her in charge quite frankly than this disgusting hardline bully at the moment. That's the choice, that's the only choice. I grant it's not much of one, but it's the only one and even the slightest chance of the slightest imprvement is reason enough IMO.

Where we go from there, after 2015, is another question. I'm all for campaigning for a complete change of system, but that, if it ever happens, isn't going to happen in the next 12 months.
 
"Here is the clock, the Trumpton clock. Telling the time, steadily, sensibly; never too quickly, never too slowly. Telling the time for Trumpton".
 
Dunno if this is has been mentioned, but what the fuck?

Labour gonna refuse JSA to those without qualifications. just on BBC news, to be announced tomorrow.
 
Yes, Milliband major announcement speech tomorrow: JSA abolished for under 21, must do training, a new means tested benefit to be instigated

so, even less independence for the young, one milllion now unemployed, zero hours contracts, hassle from the DWP, etc, how much more can they tolerate?

what will happen to young on ESA under 21?


btw, these policies have come from the IPPR who also led the charge to abolish IB
 
Fez909 said:
Dunno if this is has been mentioned, but what the fuck?

Labour gonna refuse JSA to those without qualifications. just on BBC news, to be announced tomorrow.
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And so the journey begun by Callaghan concludes. Education is now officially not about inquiring minds or the health of the community, but is purely a "vocational" tool, especially - for that's the point - if you're at the bottom of the pile. On pain of the state taking away your benefits. Thanks "Labour".
 
Under his plans, people would only be able to claim the higher rate JSA of £71 a week after they have paid National Insurance for five years, instead of the current two. The contributory element of the welfare system has been eroded in Britain and is much smaller than in most European economies.
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so its 52 pounds to live on if you haven't paid stamps


The report also argues that there needs to be a switch of government resources from tax transfers and credits to delivering services, something that might require abandoning the expensive target to eliminate child poverty.
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So, the IPPR is pushing for the end of tax credits, etc?
 
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the ippr is staffed by middle class researchers often from other countries who have never been in the situations they are creating policy about - what they say, and i say this as a senior researcher, is not worth listening to. most of it's research is done based on short term analysis by, as i say, people with no experience of life. i bet none of them know how difficult it is to live without an income when trying to get a college education without any grants to live off...like so much policy, developed by people who have no direct experience of what they are waffling on about...
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posted on CIF
 
Awesome Wells said:
Well assuming that's true, so what?

Either we continue with a nasty self entitled bully called Iain, or we get Rachel Reeves who, for all her silly claims about being tougher than the tories on the benefit bill (whatever that means), hasnt' given me any reason to make me think a) she'll be worse (if that's actually possible) and b) that she'll even be the same.

I would much rather have her in charge quite frankly than this disgusting hardline bully at the moment. That's the choice, that's the only choice. I grant it's not much of one, but it's the only one and even the slightest chance of the slightest imprvement is reason enough IMO.

Where we go from there, after 2015, is another question. I'm all for campaigning for a complete change of system, but that, if it ever happens, isn't going to happen in the next 12 months.
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It seems it IS possible to be worse than the tories, check out the message Fez909 posted above. Refusing JSA to people without qualifications... The phrase 'a new low' has long since failed to have any reasonable meaning with our political classes. Beating benefit claimants for cheap political points seems to be the thing to do these days as they are one of the few sectors of society lacking in any powerful voice or support; it's a case of 'be happy with the shit we give you, or we'll just keep making it worse'...
 
Maybe its time for what is left of the left, civil society, decent people, etc,to give them a voice.

Some posters are definitely saying Wintour is putting his Blairite bias on the article, etc.
 
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Nylock said:
It seems it IS possible to be worse than the tories, check out the message Fez909 posted above. Refusing JSA to people without qualifications... The phrase 'a new low' has long since failed to have any reasonable meaning with our political classes. Beating benefit claimants for cheap political points seems to be the thing to do these days as they are one of the few sectors of society lacking in any powerful voice or support; it's a case of 'be happy with the shit we give you, or we'll just keep making it worse'...
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I suppose the question is: do you think it will bebeter if IDS stays in post (assuming he isn't reshuffled following an election victory by the tories).

Agan, whatever Labour are saying I am not excusing using. But I do not think they will be as nasty or as bullying as IDS.
 
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