Why Labour are Scum
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They'd argue that they have to democratically win votes in the unions and labour branches to re-instate the ties. That the hullabaloo over falkirk was actually an indication of the success of their plans and that the party tops are shitting it (Leaving aside their crass identification of union membership and funds being controlled by a handful of people as being inherently left-wing or a good). articul8 has already argued this on here in the last few days. In short, they would not do anything other than what they currently do.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Is he - straw jr - still pushing dromey jr for a safe seat?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Are you suggesting they wouldnt be given one each?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ten Quid Draw has been selected for a seat?
Fuck me, back to the old days of families in parliament, and not the fucking Tories, either!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Ten Quid Draw has been selected for a seat?
Fuck me, back to the old days of families in parliament, and not the fucking Tories, either!
The selection meeting is next month, apparently. Can we expect more high-quality journalism as the contest enters its final stage?
ps: those who suffer from nausea, who have delicate stomachs or who are just about to have their tea should not click on that link
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A fair few scions of the teaching professions, I see.
Wonder if Euan Blair is still noodling around the constituencies too?
As for Dromey Jr, does he have no shame? What sort of twat wants to work at the same place as both parents?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
one whose parents are the bosses
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/10/ed-miliband-fourth-reshuffle-shadow-cabinet
reshuffle ahoy,
Hope Liam Byrne gets the boot...
reshuffle ahoy,
Hope Liam Byrne gets the boot...
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Also: long after the Iraq War is forgotten, Blair will be remembered as the PM who got rid of habeas corpus after nearly 800 years.
So what if he does? The core is rotten and Milibland is a total waste of space.
Labour are finished. They won't in 2015. I doubt even Milibland wants to win. He has no fight, no spine, and no clue. He's just a product of the political class and happy to wallow in the mire it's become.
It will be another hung parliament in 2015 and the libdems will, inexplicably, garner enough votes to collude with another tory minority government because both of them know they are now inextricably connected.
Fuck the lot of them. Even John McDonnell isn't doing enough. He should quit and take Meacher with him.
There's fuck all hope in this country. We are descending into division because the only way people can vent their anger and frustration is by taking it out on those less fortunate than even themselves. The People's Assembly is a talking shop that has done absolutely fuck all. Their big meeting consisted of saying "let's all go away and have a think about what to do and then meet up next year to talk about that". The unions won't vote for a general strike; if they haven't already i can't see them ever doing it. They are as wedded to the political system as MerelyBland.
The only answer is mass civil disobedience, wildcat strikes, solidarity and revolution.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hard job, what with him being dead and all.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The Chair of a residents association of a Council estate recently invited me to a meeting about housing in my area ( Brixton its a big issue there) held through Unite Community.
It was a good meeting. A cross section of local people involved in housing issues.From the homeless to Council tenants.
It was grass roots organising. Bringing people together who have common concerns about what is happening to affordable housing and the lack of it.
The kind of thing the Labour party should organise.
At the meeting the views that were expressed were based on knowledge of the social housing/ affordable sector.
I cannot see the picture that this MP paints as being at all accurate.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Labour MPs who didn't vote against the privatisation of the NHS in 2011.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Meacher - paternalist rentier. His heart may be in the right place at the moment, but he's part of the problem, not part of any solution.
As for McDonnell, he's got nowhere to go, outside of Labour, and he's totally sold on being a "voice in the wilderness" in among the other half dozen or so actual socialists in the Parliamentary Labour Party.
The unions (or rather the "management" of the unions) not only won't vote for a general strike, but they'll suppress any elements inside their unions that agitate to extend action beyond the pitiful legally-sanctioned balloted one-day strikes, and know to expect a legal challenge from employers or govt even then. They're so locked into defending union assets and their own sinecures that they'll disown any trade union member that wildcats, and decry any non-unionised worker who does so.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Booting Byrne would send a message Miliband doesn't want to send, so at best he'll move him to another shadow ministry.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
He didn't get rid of it, he removed it for certain categories of detainee.
He is, however, the first PM to do so in peacetime, as other abrogations of habeas corpus have generally been in wartime, and to do with internees.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's Danczuk,. He's a Blairite, neolib who thinks "blue Labour" is dangerously leftwing. He's tribally Labour, but politically as right as they come. I wouldn't gob on him if he were burning, He's nothing to do with any politics I'd want to be part of, and his anti-union smear tactics are the rankest hypocrisy from someone who benefitted from so much support from the unions on his ascent up the greasy pole.
His heart's in his property portfolio.
Maybe, but what about joining Left Unity?
When union leaders are happy to be knighted you know which side they are on.
When the PCS is led by a cunt that won't call on his members to stop sanctioning benefit claimants for things like turning up five minutes late.
You know which side their bread is buttered.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Why would he? He'd just be shifting his alliegance from one party mostly made up of the centre left, to another. Left Unity have said nothing that makes me assume they'll do anything more than New Labour did about neoliberalism and its effects.
Again, that's another example of guarding the union assets against sequestration. If a trade union sanctions large-scale unofficial action (beyond walk-out), it leaves itself open to legal chllenge, and the financial and legal weight of the state being thrown at it.
As with any established organisation whose existence is (however grudgingly) accepted by The Establishment, they're on the side of "lets be civilised about this", not quite grasping that The establishment is manipulating them, and that being civilised doesn't put bread on the table, or coal on the fire.
Why indeed. Left Unity are irrelevant anyway, this close to the election. Despite the fact they won't win in FPTP and despite the fact that their councillors, in places like Brighton, are colluding with government austerity, I think the Greens are the most credible choice for change. Labour seem to be acting as if they believe they have it in the bag and that people will vote for them in 2015 regarldess. They won't reverse fuck all from this lost generation, least of all workfare and the welfare reforms.
I've been told that the reason the PCS won't come down on the side of claimants and stop this vile sanction and punishment regime is of course they will be replaced by even more hardline robots. But I don't see how things can really be any worse: if PCS staff are sanctioning people, for any reason really, nevermind trivial nonsense that breaks no rules, then that is the line in the sand surely. Unfortunately, for all his grandstanding, Serwotka does fuck all. Maybe he thinks that he can talk it up and others will back it up. But we're coming up to the third 'hot' autumn in a row that will fizzle out come next spring.
Something sooner or later has to give and I fear that people will take their frustrations out on the less well off (than even they) and those least able to defend themselves. This is already happening, with the rise in disability hate crime. Society is sick and getting sicker.
I've been told that the reason the PCS won't come down on the side of claimants and stop this vile sanction and punishment regime is of course they will be replaced by even more hardline robots. But I don't see how things can really be any worse: if PCS staff are sanctioning people, for any reason really, nevermind trivial nonsense that breaks no rules, then that is the line in the sand surely. Unfortunately, for all his grandstanding, Serwotka does fuck all. Maybe he thinks that he can talk it up and others will back it up. But we're coming up to the third 'hot' autumn in a row that will fizzle out come next spring.
Something sooner or later has to give and I fear that people will take their frustrations out on the less well off (than even they) and those least able to defend themselves. This is already happening, with the rise in disability hate crime. Society is sick and getting sicker.
Byrne and IDS were separated at birth. To protect them from the Emperor.
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