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If anyone thinks that voting for ed milipede's nu-labour MK2 will bring any real change from the Torlibdem axis of evil is suffering frm major delusions and should study the years of blair and brown's nu-labour MK1 to realise that the MK2 nu-labour of Ed milipede will be no different
 
Ed Miliband will on Wednesday attempt to galvanise Labour by stepping up his attack on the government over the "cost of living crisis", as the coalition basks in signs that the economy is experiencing a summer mini-boom.
After a series of criticisms from backbenchers who have questioned Labour's relative silence as economic data has steadily improved, Miliband will tour a market in Elephant and Castle, south London – his first public engagement in a fortnight – telling voters: "David Cameron is out of touch; you are out of pocket."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/13/ed-miliband-attack-coalition-cost-living-crisis
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:facepalm:

As though he has any intention of leading his party to do anything about that.....:facepalm::facepalm:
 
coley said:
Deserves a much stronger warning!
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Agreed. That really was stomach-churning.

It raises an interesting question for me, which concerns the demographic of these aspiring MPs. Their backgrounds and experience, their already cultivated place within the political establishment, etc. To what extent is this something new within Labour? Is this a long run process or something that's always been the way? It just appears to me that there are definite currents that tend to see politics as a game -- an extension of student union politics I guess, or debating clubs -- and a career. Is this due to progressive withdrawal of power from constituencies in selection? Or something else? Or am I being naive and this has much longer been the way of things?
 
benedict said:
Agreed. That really was stomach-churning.

It raises an interesting question for me, which concerns the demographic of these aspiring MPs. Their backgrounds and experience, their already cultivated place within the political establishment, etc. To what extent is this something new within Labour? Is this a long run process or something that's always been the way? It just appears to me that there are definite currents that tend to see politics as a game -- an extension of student union politics I guess, or debating clubs -- and a career. Is this due to progressive withdrawal of power from constituencies in selection? Or something else? Or am I being naive and this has much longer been the way of things?
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It's been the way of things for long enough in labour, the dinosaurs (read labour MPs with working class roots) being replaced with thrusting new players who have never done a days graft in their pampered lives but know the Westminster game inside out. A generalisation I admit, but a fairly accurate portrayal of Blairs legacy IMO.
 
The party was a barristers playground well before Blair (as if changing individuals life experience would change how capital works).
 
benedict said:
Of course not, but it could be expected to change how the Labour Party works, which is what I was wondering about.
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I think what used to happen was that people from manual or serial work backgrounds could push upwards and squash party debate - they made it around their interests/needs/concerns (all within a pretty tight set of options though) and this took place through a range of ways - you could do it union wise, build up a local base in the council etc right up until yours 30s. The Blair people just turned this on its head, they used the internal blockages that the party has built up, that w/c CLP's had established to defend themselves, to just say well we're here now - there's been no functioning local-->national level stuff for years, that's how you wanted it - now this is the reason why we're taking over. And we're also shifting to a heavily executive lead party. (This mirrored the way thatin the 80s and 90s flexibility was turned back on those looking to work less).
 
Ed Miliband does a spontaneous Q&A for the public, from a table in New Road Brighton (21/09/13) - what a load of rubbish!!! …. New Road was closed all morning, a stage had been erected, and TV camera's and the Press informed … before he arrived I sat at a cafe and listened to a TV producer scripting questions for the "CHOSEN FEW" to ask - when he arrived I was front row centre stage waiting to ask him .. (1) what was Labour going to do to help all the disabled people that had had their DLA, ESA and PIP reduced, removed or sanctioned.. (2) what was Labours definition of a bedroom (clarification need for the bedroom tax) ... despite being directly in front of Mr Miliband, he avoided all eye contact, and refused to acknowledge me (for over 20 minutes) preferring only to answer questions from the allegedly "RANDOM" members of the public, who had questions supporting the Labour Parties policies … British Politics at its best, bullsh*ting the general public in order to get votes
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Interesting post on FB from someone in Brighton
 
treelover said:
Interesting post on FB from someone in Brighton
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Hardly surprising, though. Our political parties have been "stage-managing" purportedly spontaneous major "events" for decades, and micro-managing community events like this one since at least Thatcher's reign (where she got caught out by Joe Public often enough that Ingham and his assorted cunts decided to micro-manage her appearances).
 
treelover said:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/20/labour-welfare-cap?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

Btw, how do the IPPR get away with being identified as "left leaning"
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In current parliamentary political discourse (and it's important to remember that bodies like the IPPR are only about policy formation, and therefore about parliamentary rather than community-level politics) their piss-weak nods to socialism can be described as "left-leaning". That doesn't make them meaningfully socialist, but in comparison to the rightward-hovering centrism of the parliamentary Labour Party, they're a little bit left.

and what happened to 'CLASS'?
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Class no longer matters.

At least according to the mostly middle-class commentariat, who've barely ever experienced the effects of class.

btw2, just read that the Joseph Rowntree Trust is funding IPPR projects, wtf!
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Not really news. If the IPPR go to the JRT and say "we would like funding to research blah blah blah" and the trustees see utility in the research, then they'll fund it. That doesn't m,ean they agree with the premises, necessarily. It could mean that they see any data collected as useful to support entirely different research questions.
 
treelover said:
"Class no longer matters."

Sorry, I meant the 'left wing' think tank supported by the TUC, Owen Jones, etc.
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That's my point. Class no longer matters to these people whose engagement with the negative effects of class is glancing at best (which is also why any vaguely "real left" union leaders get sidelined and mocked by those same people). All that matters to such people is perpetuation of their ideologies, and if that requires them masking their centrist neoliberalism in a cloak of vaguely left-ish rhetoric, then they're happy to do it - hey, it worked for Tony!
 
Have to say there is some good stuff being announced at Conference, though of course the detail and whether it would be implemented is the key.
 
treelover said:
Have to say there is some good stuff being announced at Conference, though of course the detail and whether it would be implemented is the key.
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To an extent - but beneath it all: cuts to 2017 at least, public sector wage freeze, "compulsory jobs guarantee" (Workfare lite),.... > we can do better than this!
 
So the big headline policy is freezing energy prices for two years (15-17 im guessing) http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/24/ed-miliband-labour-freeze-prices-2017
pissing in the wind
ive only just paid off last years gas bill, and prices are set to rise 10% in the next month. what fucking difference does a prize freeze in 2016 make?
gutless and pathetic. Nationalise them, force them to cut prices, tax the living shit out of them, do something meaningful, not some half arsed price freeze once the bills are already sky high. if they are trying to appeal to voters who are hurting from utility bills this is meaningless

i wonder if ed will ever reuse the S word after the other day
 
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