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Why are lots of people annoyed at Nick Clegg today?

gabi said:
Well im assuming that a cursory glance at any news site might answer your question.

He's a lying tory prick. We're getting 'Change' alright. It's just that its not quite the 'Change' he was advertising.

He is supposed to offer Labour first dibs on a coalition. He's not. He's offering it to Dave. Altho Labour will challenge the legality of this. Hence the fuckedoffness of a lotta people.
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Why is he supposed to offer Labour first dibs when they aren't the biggest party? He said he'd deal with the biggest party. He is. That's a kinda odd definition of 'lying.'

butchersapron said:
A minority govt doesn't have complete power, it's got a tiny room for manouvere and very little power - that's why they die pretty quickly. To prop up a tory govt would be to hand them real power that they wouldn't have otherwise.
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I think we'll just have to disagree on that - and anyway I always knew exactly how you felt about Clegg and the LibDems.
 
quimcunx said:
:confused: What did you expect? Before the election: those other two are shit, vote for me. After the election: what deal can I do?
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Yes, a lot of people expected this. 1) that doesn't mean they have to cheer Clegg on when he does it; 2) they aren't the ones the OP is talking about.

It's the people who actually thought they were voting for some sort of progressive, possibly vaguely lefty party that seem to be the ones suddenly most upset with Clegg today.
 
scifisam said:
Why is he supposed to offer Labour first dibs when they aren't the biggest party? He said he'd deal with the biggest party. He is. That's a kinda odd definition of 'lying.'
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But a lot of the so-called 'progressives' which switched to Liberal will see it that way - particularly many in the media. It's their own fault, of course, they incorrectly characterised the Liberals as a left of centre party.
 
scifisam said:
Why is he supposed to offer Labour first dibs when they aren't the biggest party? He said he'd deal with the biggest party. He is. That's a kinda odd definition of 'lying.'
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Constitutionally he is obliged to offer it to the sitting PM.
 
scifisam said:
Why is he supposed to offer Labour first dibs when they aren't the biggest party? He said he'd deal with the biggest party. He is. That's a kinda odd definition of 'lying.'
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Presumably because the Queen invites Labour to form a minority government first.
 
Vintage Paw said:
Yes, a lot of people expected this. 1) that doesn't mean they have to cheer Clegg on when he does it; 2) they aren't the ones the OP is talking about.

It's the people who actually thought they were voting for some sort of progressive, possibly vaguely lefty party that seem to be the ones suddenly most upset with Clegg today.
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But WHY are they upset? Did they truly think he'd enter into a deal with Labour even though they've definitely lost? I'd kinda like it if he did, even though it'd seem a little wrong having the Tories win but still be kept out of power.
 
Proper Tidy said:
If the Liberals prop up a Tory govt, I wonder what the response of the Liberal cheerleaders in the media will be? Will Guardian and Indie eat humble pie? Or will they try and justify themselves? Will they attack what Labour has become as justification?
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It'll be interesting to see, but on The Graun (the one I know about) there's actually been a fair few dissenting voices concerning their endorsement of the Lib Dems. Tip : expect to see them speak out in op ed pieces and blogs, if the Guardian starts editorially backing a lib Dem Tory de facto coalition too enthusiastically, and for a lot of the readers to kick off too -- many of the readers are critical ones ;) who have long been well to the left of the Guardian's editorial position. Not that will stop them ... :hmm:
 
Proper Tidy said:
But a lot of the so-called 'progressives' which switched to Liberal will see it that way - particularly many in the media. It's their own fault, of course, they incorrectly characterised the Liberals as a left of centre party.
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So, basically, people are being a bit stupid? They're annoyed at Clegg for considering dealing the biggest party, like he always said he would? And that's all it is? That's .... bizarre.

gabi said:
Constitutionally he is obliged to offer it to the sitting PM.
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Really? But we don't have a written constitution and that'd be a really really odd rule.
 
scifisam said:
But WHY are they upset? Did they truly think he'd enter into a deal with Labour even though they've definitely lost? I'd kinda like it if he did, even though it'd seem a little wrong having the Tories win but still be kept out of power.
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The tories haven't won. It's a hung parliament. No one has won. It's down to them to bicker over who has a mandate to form a government, be it coalition or otherwise. The numbers can be interpreted in different ways depending on your bias - each side is doing it.
 
scifisam said:
But WHY are they upset? Did they truly think he'd enter into a deal with Labour even though they've definitely lost? I'd kinda like it if he did, even though it'd seem a little wrong having the Tories win but still be kept out of power.
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Well if you look at it from the POV of a proper LibDem (as opposed to a tactical one) then on the basis of the ideal of PR & being centrist; forming a coalition with Labour fits with that. Handing the Tories real power doesn't.
 
gabi said:
No, its constitutional...

http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-04951.pdf

Curiously in this case Brown seems to have overruled his advisers and is not enforcing it.
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Yes but we've a very odd constitutional settlement based on traditions and customers

It considers precedents and conventions governing how the monarch might decide which party should form a government in such a situation
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Nothing set in stone, the perils of not having a written constitution.
 
Vintage Paw said:
The tories haven't won. It's a hung parliament. No one has won. It's down to them to bicker over who has a mandate to form a government, be it coalition or otherwise. The numbers can be interpreted in different ways depending on your bias - each side is doing it.
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They currently have 306 to Labour's 258. That's a pretty big difference. Labour and the LibDems together don't even have enough seats to form a majority govt.
 
scifisam said:
But WHY are they upset? Did they truly think he'd enter into a deal with Labour even though they've definitely lost? I'd kinda like it if he did, even though it'd seem a little wrong having the Tories win but still be kept out of power.
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Because they thought they were voting for some sort of progressive vaguely lefty party which is now jumping in with the Tories.

You could certainly say that was naive to a huge degree, because it was. But that's why a lot of people are upset, at least the journo/Internet lot.
 
Vintage Paw said:
It is constitutional. Odd rule or not, it is a rule. Whether it'll be observed or not is another matter, at the moment.
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Even though they can't form a majority govt? :hmm: Rrright. A nonsensical rule from an unwritten constitution isn't one I'd be too upset about someone ignoring.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Because they thought they were voting for some sort of progressive vaguely lefty party which is now jumping in with the Tories.

You could certainly say that was naive to a huge degree, because it was. But that's why a lot of people are upset, at least the journo/Internet lot.
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This doesn't appear to be a good enough reason.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Because they thought they were voting for some sort of progressive vaguely lefty party which is now jumping in with the Tories.

You could certainly say that was naive to a huge degree, because it was. But that's why a lot of people are upset, at least the journo/Internet lot.
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I am genuinely shocked at how stupid some people are then.
 
I saw an interview on Dutch TV with Nick Clegg and he did the interview in Dutch. His Dutch is impeccable and without any English accent, unlike mine.:)
He could always come over here it doesn't work out in the UK.
 
scifisam said:
They currently have 306 to Labour's 258. That's a pretty big difference. Labour and the LibDems together don't even have enough seats to form a majority govt.
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Your point?

The fact remains the tories have not won because legally this is a hung parliament. It requires an overall majority to be considered as having 'won'.

As I said, it's down to them to bicker and make deals and decide who has a mandate to govern. It's likely this could include more seats than just the big three.
 
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