What should the punishment be for swearing at a teacher?
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grit
an ugly force for good
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
a punch in the face
My school would do this. We are not a very strict school.
Can't the school set up some sort of action plan for him. So for example he has to try and get through 3 lessons a day without getting into trouble and if he can do that for a week he gets a reward. And if he doesn't manage, he has to do a detention of 10 min for every transgression up to a maximum of 30 min a day, but it has to be on the same day so everything is resolved straight away.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
He's supposed to be on a rewards system. I told them they had to start it off ridiculously small to get him into the habit of being rewarded. He's supposed to get an extra drum session for going into maths lessons but it hasn't happened yet despite him going into all the maths lesson's he's supposed to.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
That is a crock of shite. If they can't even get rewards together they are useless 
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Are they setting him up to fail?
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
PM me their phone number. I can be excoriating 
What's their excuse for why it hasn't happened? They sound shit. I think you should record when they don't live up to their part of the bargain by sending someone an email and saving the emails. If the school were ever to try and exclude him, you'd be able to show they haven't supported him properly.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
My teachers always favoured the bastinado, but you're not allowed to do that nowadays.
Seriously though, I'd have thought a telling-off and being forced to write a 300-word essay on "why I must not swear at teachers" would be enough.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
When will people stop trying to 'break their will'?
I always got the impression that was the principle aim of school (not to be confused with education)...
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
They do sound particularly crap - I get the impression that they see him as 'too much trouble' (completely inexecusable) and are setting him up to fail so they can exclude him permanently.
Utterly disgraceful if this is the case. He has a right to an education.
Utterly disgraceful if this is the case. He has a right to an education.
dessiato
🇪🇸 españa te quiero
It really does sounds if the school is setting him up to fail. As others have said, start recording their failures and feeding it back to them in a way that means that you can defend your child against their actions. Lazy teachers really piss me off, do they truly forget what their job is? I say this as someone who is a teacher.
Is it possible to move him to a more empathic school?
Is it possible to move him to a more empathic school?
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Not that easy if you're in deepest rural Cornwall.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
is the strappado similarly proscribed?
madzone
Physically unfavourable
I've had an email from the deputy head (who I've been working with closely) saying she's happy to leave it at the day of internal exclusion and an apology. She also started wittering on about sticker charts. He's 13 ffs and that's why we settled on the reward of the drum sessions. They haven't happened So, yet again it's been all stick and no carrot. No wonder he's pissed off with them - everythingh we agree on they don't actually follow through on. I suggested they give him a mini bar of chocolate or something as a reward and they thought I was joking but that would work for him 
So, yet again it's been all stick and no carrot. No wonder he's pissed off with them - everythingh we agree on they don't actually follow through on. I suggested they give him a mini bar of chocolate or something as a reward and they thought I was joking but that would work for him 
BlueSquareThing
With chips
To be honest, I've tended to find that this depends partly on who they swear at. I've been told I'm a fucking cunt (in a really nasty way) and there's been a lunch time detention as a result. Other people get told to bugger off and there's a three day external exclusion. Same type of kid - it seems to depend partly on how much fuss the teacher kicks up and who they are - they know I don't give a toss most of the time (my standard reaction to being told to fuck off (which usually means they want to get out of the lesson anyway) is to say that I'd really rather not thank you, now get on with the work...).
So much for fairness and consistency.I've had an email from the deputy head (who I've been working with closely) saying she's happy to leave it at the day of internal exclusion and an apology. <snip>
No wonder he's pissed off with them - everythingh we agree on they don't actually follow through on. I suggested they give him a mini bar of chocolate or something as a reward and they thought I was joking but that would work for him
Important with youngsters, anyway, but even more so with behavioural problems.
krtek a houby
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Exclusion doesn't work; my friend's kid was excluded at a similar age and he pretty much spiralled down from that moment on. Not that would happen to yours - and he did turn out alright in the end after all.
Do they not do a weeks detention or something like that?
Do they not do a weeks detention or something like that?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
They do sound like a shower mads. What does the SENCO have to say? s/he should be involved in working out this stuff.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
The senco and I don't see eye to eye. We had an absolutely disatrous meeting where he told me that he has to punish my boy the same as everyone else because if he gets away with it then everyone else will want to get away with it too. We were talking about htings directly related to his adhd. He also said he doesn't think it's the responsibility of the school to find out how adhd will present itself in a classroom setting.
In short he's a cunt and we had 'words'.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
oh what a twat. most sencos are lovely. He sort of has a point, in that as far as the other kids are concerned, someone can't be seen to get away with stuff because of their BESD/ADHD needs, but what happens outside of the classroom context needs to be responsive to his needs. And he bloody knows that (the senco).
apart from anything else, i'd say the behaviour management strategies at this school sound weak in the whole area of dealing with conflict and preventing escalation. I've taught all kinds of kids with all kinds of needs, and i don't think i've actually been sworn *at* for years (in front of, many times - but not at). One girl did once threaten to have some friends cut my face once, though. But she didn't swear at me. She was permanently excluded, btw.
apart from anything else, i'd say the behaviour management strategies at this school sound weak in the whole area of dealing with conflict and preventing escalation. I've taught all kinds of kids with all kinds of needs, and i don't think i've actually been sworn *at* for years (in front of, many times - but not at). One girl did once threaten to have some friends cut my face once, though. But she didn't swear at me. She was permanently excluded, btw.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
This senco is such a twat that I'm thinking of asking to see proof that he has any idea what special needs are at all.
On the subject of letting kids get away with stuff would they punish a kid with tourettes for swearing or other tics? To clarify, when he says that he shouldn't 'get away with it' he means he needs to be punished, not that the issue be addressed in a way that's relevant to his special needs. I'm not for one minute suggesting to the school that he should be able to swear at teachers with no repercussions but this is for things like losing his pencil case or fidgetting.
On the subject of letting kids get away with stuff would they punish a kid with tourettes for swearing or other tics? To clarify, when he says that he shouldn't 'get away with it' he means he needs to be punished, not that the issue be addressed in a way that's relevant to his special needs. I'm not for one minute suggesting to the school that he should be able to swear at teachers with no repercussions but this is for things like losing his pencil case or fidgetting.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
it would depend on the disruption to the class. if the other students were able to understand the condition and it didn't disrupt them, then it wouldn't be a problem. if it did, then it wouldn't be a question of punishment, but they may not be suitable for mainstream learning. schools and individual teachers are assessed on behaviour, focus and engagement in lessons. if anything is preventing that - even for a reason like tourettes, then the perception is that the whole class is not learning or progressing in the appropriate way. That said - i imagine kids can understand that tourettes is an uncontrollable condition. the problem with adhd, and particularly oppositional defiance disorder, is that what happens looks and sounds exactly like 'bad behaviour'.
i've had this conversation with kids many times. why is XXXX in isolation when YYYY did the same thing and just got exited from the lesson? Why is AAAA being permenantly excluded? BBBB is far naughtier than her in every lesson!
i've had this conversation with kids many times. why is XXXX in isolation when YYYY did the same thing and just got exited from the lesson? Why is AAAA being permenantly excluded? BBBB is far naughtier than her in every lesson!
madzone
Physically unfavourable
Sounds like here when somone gets banned
I think what also confuses them is despite being really oppositional etc he's still getting B's and C's in everything.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
it's so frustrating. school really just is the wrong fit for some kids. will there be a sixth form college he can go to after his gcses, where they'll treat him more like an adult? or is he stuck with it til 18?
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