What should the punishment be for swearing at a teacher?
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equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
I hope you are ok otherwise Madzone. I'm keeping my fingers crossed the new school is better for him.
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
If a student swears at me I kick them out, and tell them to come back when they're ready to be taught something..... do that once or twice and they normally sort it out.
I do work with 16-19 year olds though....
I hate giving out cause for concerns unless I really have to, mainly for attendance. I work at one college where the students act up all the time, the same college still writes reports and has parents evenings etc.
The other college doesn't do any of that really (i think they have one parent evening a year) and the students very rarely play up......
Ive still not got my head round that.
I do work with 16-19 year olds though....
I hate giving out cause for concerns unless I really have to, mainly for attendance. I work at one college where the students act up all the time, the same college still writes reports and has parents evenings etc.
The other college doesn't do any of that really (i think they have one parent evening a year) and the students very rarely play up......
Ive still not got my head round that.
catinthehat
Failed VK = Replicant
If the staff are freed up from writing endless reports, filling in endless tick sheets and so on they probs have more time to actually talk with their students, nip things in the bud and so on.
Yes and of all of those letters the greatest is M for Measurement. Nothing matters now if it cannot be measured. It is the accountancy mentality that has taken over all of our lives, institutions and culture. Quantity and how many beans make five matters more than quality of experience.
Not only that but it is always the measurement of failure that is emphasised. How many days sick, absent, truanting, excluded. How many pupils failed to achieve the 'expected standard'* at any level of the system.
*'Expected standard' is a phrase invented to replace the 'average' because when government spokespeople talked of the 30% who were below 'average' grades they would be ridiculed by people who know that it is statistically normal. If you cannot change reality invent a weasel word to avoid the issue.
I hope Madzone Junior gets satisfaction at the new school especially as it is so far away to travel.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
madz has scrambled her password, not sure if it's a permanent thing or if she'll be back at a later date when life has calmed down a bit
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Please tell her I wish her well, when you next speak to her (if that's ok?) - I miss her already.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Meltingpot
Living in our pools we soon forget about the sea
Hope she's OK now.
I know this is offtopic but I've done that too when I've needed a break from here; it's a good facility. You end up with a pretty weird password when you come back though
Pingu
Credo
cba reading the thread - but picked up on madz stuff so best wishes to her before i post this.
had i swore at a teacher i know exactly what would have happened:
most lessons.. kicked out and probably suspended from school, meeting without coffee involving parents and then a kicking when you got home
geography - had wooden board rubber lobbed at me followed by a meeting without coffee..parents...kicking etc etc
Art - probably had a smack in the head, you didnt fuck with our art teacher. he taught art becasue he could draw but hated it. was really a sports teacher but to justify his role he also taught art. surprisingly he was actually quite a good art teacher but you didnt fuck about in his lessons.
had i swore at a teacher i know exactly what would have happened:
most lessons.. kicked out and probably suspended from school, meeting without coffee involving parents and then a kicking when you got home
geography - had wooden board rubber lobbed at me followed by a meeting without coffee..parents...kicking etc etc
Art - probably had a smack in the head, you didnt fuck with our art teacher. he taught art becasue he could draw but hated it. was really a sports teacher but to justify his role he also taught art. surprisingly he was actually quite a good art teacher but you didnt fuck about in his lessons.
madzone
Physically unfavourable
Seeing as I'm back for a minute I'll get you all up to speed with my domestic dramas 
The school itself is fab. There was one hiccup with a relief teacher who hadn't been briefed about his adhd but whereas the old school would have got defensive and suggested it wasn't their responsibility they held their hands up and admitted they'd fucked up. He got a detention the other day for being involved in some disturbance with a group of kids and a relief French teacher but they phoned me up and explained that the kids involved would lose their break during which the normal teacher would explain what they'd done and why it had pissed her off. She'd been doing year 11 Oral assessments and she had to leave twice to sort the other kids out. She got the year 11's to come and explain how it affected them as well. At the old school they got an hour detention after school and had to sit in silence facing the front and not writing or reading or anything. This sort of consequnces based stuff makes sense to him (and me) so it's a lot more positive. He's also been getting merits for his work and when he gets 10 merits he gets a pair of chinos
The fly in the oitment is the travel. I'm in (yet another) pitched battle with the LA about it and it's gone to appeal. They offered us a taxi to the bus station at 7.15am which would just leave him there to get on the public bus. He'll just fuck off if they do that. The guy I spoke to about it is such a fucking jobsworth I suspect he wears a hi-vis vest to the office. He was so obstructive I put a formal complaint in about him and he tried to threaten me with the legal team (bless him) It's costing us just under £50 a week to get him to and from school at the moment so hopefully we'll be offered something a bit more workable after the appeal in April. I've got supporting letters from the Head of the new school and CAMHS both saying what we've been offered transport-wise is unsuitable so fingers crossed....
The school itself is fab. There was one hiccup with a relief teacher who hadn't been briefed about his adhd but whereas the old school would have got defensive and suggested it wasn't their responsibility they held their hands up and admitted they'd fucked up. He got a detention the other day for being involved in some disturbance with a group of kids and a relief French teacher but they phoned me up and explained that the kids involved would lose their break during which the normal teacher would explain what they'd done and why it had pissed her off. She'd been doing year 11 Oral assessments and she had to leave twice to sort the other kids out. She got the year 11's to come and explain how it affected them as well. At the old school they got an hour detention after school and had to sit in silence facing the front and not writing or reading or anything. This sort of consequnces based stuff makes sense to him (and me) so it's a lot more positive. He's also been getting merits for his work and when he gets 10 merits he gets a pair of chinos
The fly in the oitment is the travel. I'm in (yet another) pitched battle with the LA about it and it's gone to appeal. They offered us a taxi to the bus station at 7.15am which would just leave him there to get on the public bus. He'll just fuck off if they do that. The guy I spoke to about it is such a fucking jobsworth I suspect he wears a hi-vis vest to the office. He was so obstructive I put a formal complaint in about him and he tried to threaten me with the legal team (bless him
) It's costing us just under £50 a week to get him to and from school at the moment so hopefully we'll be offered something a bit more workable after the appeal in April. I've got supporting letters from the Head of the new school and CAMHS both saying what we've been offered transport-wise is unsuitable so fingers crossed....
pseudonarcissus
fluttering and dancing
I suppose until then he has to go to school in his y-fronts...that'll learn himHe's also been getting merits for his work and when he gets 10 merits he gets a pair of chinos
thanks for the update, I like it when there is some encouraging news of old threads
trashpony
Hag
Did you hear/read this today madz? I thought of you and your lad: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17404382
sim667
All aboard the 303 bus.
A student got a bit panicked by how far he was behind with work the other day and flared up and swore at a teacher, she kicked him out of the class and told him he'd be getting a cause for concern (where they have a meeting with the head of dept about their behaviour).
He's a really nice gentle lad, so I gave him ten mins and went and chatted to him, and he was genuinely sorry about doing it, and I suggested he might want to go apologise to the teacher, and told him infact he'd got the wrong end of the stick about what she'd said to him about his work.
So after the lesson we went and spoke to the teacher, and he was really nice about it and she explained about the work. But she still gave him the cause for concern anyway.
Now what fucked me off, is that its not my job to smooth things over like that, but I did, because I knew that wasnt him, and I knew the teacher would be a bit shaken up by it! But what's the point in him accepting he's done wrong and apologising if she's not even going to consider it. And if im completely honest its the type of teacher I'd end up swearing at if i was his age. Painfully patronising she is.
Treat them like kids, they'll act like kids, treat them like adults and they'll often act like adults. (im dealing with 16-19 though, although we have got students who are 20-24 who never seem to leave this place
)
He's a really nice gentle lad, so I gave him ten mins and went and chatted to him, and he was genuinely sorry about doing it, and I suggested he might want to go apologise to the teacher, and told him infact he'd got the wrong end of the stick about what she'd said to him about his work.
So after the lesson we went and spoke to the teacher, and he was really nice about it and she explained about the work. But she still gave him the cause for concern anyway.
Now what fucked me off, is that its not my job to smooth things over like that, but I did, because I knew that wasnt him, and I knew the teacher would be a bit shaken up by it! But what's the point in him accepting he's done wrong and apologising if she's not even going to consider it. And if im completely honest its the type of teacher I'd end up swearing at if i was his age. Painfully patronising she is.
Treat them like kids, they'll act like kids, treat them like adults and they'll often act like adults. (im dealing with 16-19 though, although we have got students who are 20-24 who never seem to leave this place
)
madzone
Physically unfavourable
That's exactly what they're doing at St Ives. They sell it as a way of it not being on the child's record but of course it isn't on their's either.
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