Both my grandfathers were in reserved occupations, so I don't have anyone specific to remember or pay respect to. But I was brought up just 15-20 years after WW2 finished, when rationing and the (for then) relatively recent lack of rationing was very much a thing, an immediate memory of my parents and grandparents. When I was a kid this stuff was Important and the the lines of veterans marching past the cenotaph took a long time. It's different now, and that's the passage of time. However I'll buy and wear a poppy for now, but I'm increasingly sad at the concept being co-opted by all wars and disputes and (for me) that simple act of thanks and remembrance has become degraded into pressurised charity. While my parents are alive I'll still buy and wear one, for theirs and the previous generation. Once they're gone I will stop.
The fact corbyn hung about to watch the march past is deeply impressive.
We don't have a set way to do these things so arguing his bow wasn't low enough is bollocks
I think Corbyn is a decent man, a genuine man. If he just changed a few things, and moderated others a bit, he could win.
And what about the millions of innocent civilians in those countries murdered by a retaliatory strike I guess they deserve death too. Absolutely disgusting, but then it fits in with your vile defence of the attacks on the Gaza flotilla for example.I If someone has reduced our country to a glowing ruin, they should at least know that such an act will be followed by their own country being in a similar state. It is the ultimate in hypothesis anyway; it is unthinkable that the lunatics of North Korea or Iran would deploy nuclear weapons, they know the consequences. Even tin pot dictators need to have somewhere habitable to be dictator of.
No I'm not saying you're saying that I'm saying it's the general feeling every remembrance day and it seems to get worse every year.Not aimed at anyone on here, however, if that is how you choose to interpret what I said, that is of course your absolute right.
I didn't see anything disrespectful in his placing of his wreath.He barely nodded.
I haven't watched it but perhaps Corbyn wasn't only trying to seem respectful and horror of horrors was actually being respectful thinking of the significance of the event and the lives lost rather than solely about putting in his best performance. He could also of been nervous a lot people laying the wreaths this morning seemed so and they only had a couple dozen people watching. Even relatively well drilled people who I'm pretty sure I've seen lay wreaths in previous years (instructors in one of the kiddies paramilitary organisations) seemed to my eye to fuck up a bit. Corbyn probably walked up and down his office a couple of times like Nicola Murray in The Thick of It.I didn't see anything disrespectful in his placing of his wreath.
He seemed at least as respectful as Cameron.
Did I miss something?
Whilst the rest of the politicians went off for a slap up VIP lunch, Jeremy Corbyn went up to Horseguards to meet and talk with veterans. Such disrespect - how dare he.....
Saw that early. A bit opportunitistic and disrespectful I feel.Possibly this?
A useful distraction on the day when the head of UK armed forces made a very deliberate foray into party politics?
Either a planned, deliberate attempt to influence the outcome of LP policy, or a very embarrassing silp of the mask.Saw that early. A bit opportunitistic and disrespectful I feel.
Again this year!I'll fight ye.
And what about the millions of innocent civilians in those countries murdered by a retaliatory strike I guess they deserve death too. Absolutely disgusting, but then it fits in with your vile defence of the attacks on the Gaza flotilla for example.
The whole point of detterence is if you decide your going to order a mass murder strike on the UK you get exactly the same back regardless of if you love your children or not.
Trident can kill you if your in a bunker or flying command post or brought anti missile defences
Possibly this?
A useful distraction on the day when the head of UK armed forces made a very deliberate foray into party politics?
This.I choose to remember the tragic, manipulated, bullied, threatened, shamed people who were conscripted into fighting - not for freedom or democracy or anything like that - but for the same reasons as always - for the power crazed demands of a ruling class who saw ordinary soldiers as collateral. And no, I will never offer so much as a penny towards a single organisation which perpetuates the tripe peddled by politicians - I do however, wear a green sprig of evergreen holly.
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Are you serious, stupid or simply insane?
He barely nodded.
He barely nodded.
Are you serious, stupid or simply insane?
Yeah, you see, the French system sounds like a genuine deterrent. The MIRV, designed to evade ABM defences and kill Brezhnev sounds more like something an aggressive imperialist power would design in the belief that it could actually emerge the winner.That's the rational behind trident its accuracy the multiple decoys mirv etc etc. It was designed to defeat the extensive abm defences around moscow and kill any hardened bunkers the politbureau might try to hide in.
the french system is less accurate but its not designed for pinpoint accuracy its designed to kill as many russians as possible the french don't believe you can win a nuclear war but if their going to hell your coming too.
pointing nuclear weapons at each other is possibly insane but apparently not starting a world war is really hard.
doubt ww3 wouldn't have happened with out them
This.
I got involved in an opera thing that had been commissioned to mark the start of WW1. I played the part of the "recruiting officer", and had to play a scene in which we'd gone to a village to get people to sign up. The recruiting officer was not a pleasant character - there was lots of moral blackmail, misogyny, and patronising stuff, all aimed at getting young men signed up.
I felt uncomfortable, because it seemed to me inconceivable that anyone would have been quite so blatantly manipulative about getting people to sign up to fight, so I did some research. And what I learned was that, far from being a caricature of the situation, it was, if anything, a toned down version of what went on. Huge amounts of emotional blackmail were applied, both by the military themselves, but by society at large. People bought into this, to the extent that apparently fit young men who hadn't signed up (this was prior to conscription, which didn't happen until 1916) were often given a hard time in the street.
The "Pal's battalions", similarly, weren't as simple as they're now presented - people were put under considerable pressure to join up with their workmates, neighbours, or friends. We might see the idea of a bunch of mates going off to fight together as noble and laudable, and it was certainly presented that way, but a lot of people joined up because they didn't feel that not joining up was an option.
Yeah, you see, the French system sounds like a genuine deterrent. The MIRV, designed to evade ABM defences and kill Brezhnev sounds more like something an aggressive imperialist power would design in the belief that it could actually emerge the winner.