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Ranbay said:
you can get these lovely 14 words ones if you like

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You can take that and ram it up your arse.
 
Telegraph.

He was due to read a poem titled "Futility" by the pacifiist World War One poet Wilfred Owen at a ceremony in Islington hours after the Cenotaph ceremony at 1.30pm.
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Remembrance day should be called rewriting history day. The pacifist Owen who, after being wounded, volunteered to go back the the front, won the military cross and got killed in the last days of the war during an attack?

The extra 'i' in pacifist probably due to mashing the keyboard in drunken stubby fingered rage.
 
Sasaferrato said:
The comments regarding his conduct are correct.
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Thing is, as far as the RW press were concerned, he was going to do something wrong, regardless of what he actually did. In a way, that brings the whole thing to a screeching halt as far as I am concerned - if his bowing at the Cenotaph is suddenly this huge big deal, I find myself asking "what the fuck does it matter if he bows?"

I saw the shot of him standing next to Cameron, waiting to lay his wreath. For my money, Corbyn's expression (so far as you can rely on a politician's expression for anything) said far more about remembrance and reflection that Cameron's clearly nailed-on "I am Being Srs And Rspctful" face.

I'm simply not prepared to join in with this "let's beast Corbyn for everything he does" farce. I'll judge him on his actions. Frankly, the huge fuss that is being made over Corbyn (and anyone else) being suitably respectful about poppies and Remembrance Day fucks me off to the point that, for the first year that I can remember, I didn't buy a poppy. I even meant to put some money in the tin, but forgot to do even that - the whole business has been cheap, distasteful, and far more disrespectful to the memory of those who died than anything Corbyn could have done short of leading a conga line around the Cenotaph.
 
existentialist said:
Thing is, as far as the RW press were concerned, he was going to do something wrong, regardless of what he actually did. In a way, that brings the whole thing to a screeching halt as far as I am concerned - if his bowing at the Cenotaph is suddenly this huge big deal, I find myself asking "what the fuck does it matter if he bows?"

I saw the shot of him standing next to Cameron, waiting to lay his wreath. For my money, Corbyn's expression (so far as you can rely on a politician's expression for anything) said far more about remembrance and reflection that Cameron's clearly nailed-on "I am Being Srs And Rspctful" face.

I'm simply not prepared to join in with this "let's beast Corbyn for everything he does" farce. I'll judge him on his actions. Frankly, the huge fuss that is being made over Corbyn (and anyone else) being suitably respectful about poppies and Remembrance Day fucks me off to the point that, for the first year that I can remember, I didn't buy a poppy. I even meant to put some money in the tin, but forgot to do even that - the whole business has been cheap, distasteful, and far more disrespectful to the memory of those who died than anything Corbyn could have done short of leading a conga line around the Cenotaph.
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I wore a poppy this year, and will continue to do so until the 11th. A red poppy.

Whatever any skidmark of a politician does, or does not do. is of little interest. The Conservatives, whilst still vainly trying to peddle the myth of being 'the Armed Forces Party' are running down our military capacity at an alarming rate. Corbyn is of absolutely no consequence, he won't be PM, indeed, it is doubtful if he will still be Labour leader come the next election. I must say that I find Corbyn's stance re nuclear retaliation appalling. If someone has reduced our country to a glowing ruin, they should at least know that such an act will be followed by their own country being in a similar state. It is the ultimate in hypothesis anyway; it is unthinkable that the lunatics of North Korea or Iran would deploy nuclear weapons, they know the consequences. Even tin pot dictators need to have somewhere habitable to be dictator of.

I wear a poppy for a number of reasons. I wear it in memory of my comrades who died beside me. I wear it in memory of men like my father and uncles, who gave a part of their lives to oppose and overcome Hitler.

Those who died, and those severely wounded, were not the only ones who suffered long term damage. My uncle Rob; like me, served in the RAMC, he was one of those into Bergen-Belsen shortly after its liberation, something that haunted him right up until his death. It was something he rarely spoke of. He visited us in Hannover, and we took him to the site of the camp. He was out in a few minutes, tears running down his face. That night he got incredibly drunk (he didn't normally drink very much), and told me about it. It was horrific. The thing that he remembered most clearly, even after all these years was the smell.

At this time I remember my days in the army. The people, good and bad (simply putting on a uniform doesn't change someone's intrinsic character.). The good times, and the bad. The living and the dead.

I don't wear my poppy with 'pride', I wear it to commemorate all those who suffered and died. I wear it especially to mark the passing of those who died beside me, I also give thanks that it was not me who died, it so easily could have been.

Wear a poppy if you wish, it is up to you. The dead certainly won't mind if you don't. Do remember though, and I'm talking specifically of the dead of WWII, they gave their lives, so that you live in a society, where you are free to disrespect them, if you wish. They gave their lives with no conditions attached.
 
Sasaferrato said:
I wore a poppy this year, and will continue to do so until the 11th. A red poppy.

Whatever any skidmark of a politician does, or does not do. is of little interest. The Conservatives, whilst still vainly trying to peddle the myth of being 'the Armed Forces Party' are running down our military capacity at an alarming rate. Corbyn is of absolutely no consequence, he won't be PM, indeed, it is doubtful if he will still be Labour leader come the next election. I must say that I find Corbyn's stance re nuclear retaliation appalling. If someone has reduced our country to a glowing ruin, they should at least know that such an act will be followed by their own country being in a similar state. It is the ultimate in hypothesis anyway; it is unthinkable that the lunatics of North Korea or Iran would deploy nuclear weapons, they know the consequences. Even tin pot dictators need to have somewhere habitable to be dictator of.

I wear a poppy for a number of reasons. I wear it in memory of my comrades who died beside me. I wear it in memory of men like my father and uncles, who gave a part of their lives to oppose and overcome Hitler.

Those who died, and those severely wounded, were not the only ones who suffered long term damage. My uncle Rob; like me, served in the RAMC, he was one of those into Bergen-Belsen shortly after its liberation, something that haunted him right up until his death. It was something he rarely spoke of. He visited us in Hannover, and we took him to the site of the camp. He was out in a few minutes, tears running down his face. That night he got incredibly drunk (he didn't normally drink very much), and told me about it. It was horrific. The thing that he remembered most clearly, even after all these years was the smell.

At this time I remember my days in the army. The people, good and bad (simply putting on a uniform doesn't change someone's intrinsic character.). The good times, and the bad. The living and the dead.

I don't wear my poppy with 'pride', I wear it to commemorate all those who suffered and died. I wear it especially to mark the passing of those who died beside me, I also give thanks that it was not me who died, it so easily could have been.

Wear a poppy if you wish, it is up to you. The dead certainly won't mind if you don't. Do remember though, and I'm talking specifically of the dead of WWII, they gave their lives, so that you live in a society, where you are free to disrespect them, if you wish. They gave their lives with no conditions attached.
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You're disgusting
 
Sasaferrato said:
I wore a poppy this year, and will continue to do so until the 11th. A red poppy.

Whatever any skidmark of a politician does, or does not do. is of little interest. The Conservatives, whilst still vainly trying to peddle the myth of being 'the Armed Forces Party' are running down our military capacity at an alarming rate. Corbyn is of absolutely no consequence, he won't be PM, indeed, it is doubtful if he will still be Labour leader come the next election. I must say that I find Corbyn's stance re nuclear retaliation appalling. If someone has reduced our country to a glowing ruin, they should at least know that such an act will be followed by their own country being in a similar state. It is the ultimate in hypothesis anyway; it is unthinkable that the lunatics of North Korea or Iran would deploy nuclear weapons, they know the consequences. Even tin pot dictators need to have somewhere habitable to be dictator of.

I wear a poppy for a number of reasons. I wear it in memory of my comrades who died beside me. I wear it in memory of men like my father and uncles, who gave a part of their lives to oppose and overcome Hitler.

Those who died, and those severely wounded, were not the only ones who suffered long term damage. My uncle Rob; like me, served in the RAMC, he was one of those into Bergen-Belsen shortly after its liberation, something that haunted him right up until his death. It was something he rarely spoke of. He visited us in Hannover, and we took him to the site of the camp. He was out in a few minutes, tears running down his face. That night he got incredibly drunk (he didn't normally drink very much), and told me about it. It was horrific. The thing that he remembered most clearly, even after all these years was the smell.

At this time I remember my days in the army. The people, good and bad (simply putting on a uniform doesn't change someone's intrinsic character.). The good times, and the bad. The living and the dead.

I don't wear my poppy with 'pride', I wear it to commemorate all those who suffered and died. I wear it especially to mark the passing of those who died beside me, I also give thanks that it was not me who died, it so easily could have been.

Wear a poppy if you wish, it is up to you. The dead certainly won't mind if you don't. Do remember though, and I'm talking specifically of the dead of WWII, they gave their lives, so that you live in a society, where you are free to disrespect them, if you wish. They gave their lives with no conditions attached.
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You were doing alright until the last paragraph. Who's disrespecting the dead of ww2 here? My grandad liberated Belsen like your uncle and he never spoke if too. I had a great uncle in a tank regiment and I already mentioned my relative in ww1. I used to wear a poppy but now I don't because I'm sick of all the brow beating, the support our troops and the military rubbing its grubby hands all over it.

'You must remember, you must support our troops, you must do it the way I tell you to and you must, increasingly, do it all year round'

That's the message I increasingly get from it all and frankly it can fuck off.
 
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Sasaferrato said:
Do remember though, and I'm talking specifically of the dead of WWII, they gave their lives, so that you live in a society, where you are free to disrespect them, if you wish. They gave their lives with no conditions attached.
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If you think not wearing one is disrespecting our fallen, you can fuck right off. I went to a remembrance service yesterday and wore one, I went to another one today and did not wear one.

The biggest shame is, that the event is increasingly being taken over by loud mouthed poppy fascists.
 
Fingers said:
If you think not wearing one is disrespecting our fallen, you can fuck right off. I went to a remembrance service yesterday and wore one, I went to another one today and did not wear one.

The biggest shame is, that the event is increasingly being taken over by loud mouthed poppy fascists.
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Both my grandfathers were in reserved occupations, so I don't have anyone specific to remember or pay respect to. But I was brought up just 15-20 years after WW2 finished, when rationing and the (for then) relatively recent lack of rationing was very much a thing, an immediate memory of my parents and grandparents. When I was a kid this stuff was Important and the the lines of veterans marching past the cenotaph took a long time. It's different now, and that's the passage of time. However I'll buy and wear a poppy for now, but I'm increasingly sad at the concept being co-opted by all wars and disputes and (for me) that simple act of thanks and remembrance has become degraded into pressurised charity. While my parents are alive I'll still buy and wear one, for theirs and the previous generation. Once they're gone I will stop.
 
existentialist said:
Thing is, as far as the RW press were concerned, he was going to do something wrong, regardless of what he actually did. In a way, that brings the whole thing to a screeching halt as far as I am concerned - if his bowing at the Cenotaph is suddenly this huge big deal, I find myself asking "what the fuck does it matter if he bows?"
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Exactly we don't as a society have a rigid code of conduct for these things. I don't even know if they rehearse what they are supposed to do. He turned up and laid a wreathe. What do they want him to do to be more respectful? Sacrifice a goat?
 
dylanredefined said:
Exactly we don't as a society have a rigid code of conduct for these things. I don't even know if they rehearse what they are supposed to do. He turned up and laid a wreathe. What do they want him to do to be more respectful? Sacrifice a goat?
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It's the same problem you get with religion - some people fall into the trap of believing that the more pious you appear, the more pious you are. Style over substance.
 
Doctor Carrot said:
You were doing alright until the last paragraph. Who's disrespecting the dead of ww2 here? My grandad liberated Belsen like your uncle and he never spoke if too. I had a great uncle in a tank regiment and I already mentioned my relative in ww1. I used to wear a poppy but now I don't because I'm sick of all the brow beating, the support our troops and the military rubbing its grubby hands all over it.

'You must remember, you must support our troops, you must do it the way I tell you to and you must, increasingly, do it all year round'

That's the message I increasingly get from it all and frankly it can fuck off.
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Not aimed at anyone on here, however, if that is how you choose to interpret what I said, that is of course your absolute right.
 
Fingers said:
If you think not wearing one is disrespecting our fallen, you can fuck right off. I went to a remembrance service yesterday and wore one, I went to another one today and did not wear one.

The biggest shame is, that the event is increasingly being taken over by loud mouthed poppy fascists.
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Errr, sorry, I don't actually recall either saying or implying that. I made no mention whatsoever about wearing poppies or not wearing poppies.

Whereas I may not necessarily agree, I can understand why someone doesn't wish to wear a poppy. It is not compulsory, FFS, if it was compulsory, those who died in WWII would be rolling in their graves, that's not the sort of society they fought for.
 
cesare said:
Both my grandfathers were in reserved occupations, so I don't have anyone specific to remember or pay respect to. But I was brought up just 15-20 years after WW2 finished, when rationing and the (for then) relatively recent lack of rationing was very much a thing, an immediate memory of my parents and grandparents. When I was a kid this stuff was Important and the the lines of veterans marching past the cenotaph took a long time. It's different now, and that's the passage of time. However I'll buy and wear a poppy for now, but I'm increasingly sad at the concept being co-opted by all wars and disputes and (for me) that simple act of thanks and remembrance has become degraded into pressurised charity. While my parents are alive I'll still buy and wear one, for theirs and the previous generation. Once they're gone I will stop.
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My father was also in a reserved occupation, he volunteered in 1940 though. A lot of folk seem to forget that the country doesn't run itself during a war, people are needed to do that. Those incredibly brave people who fought the fires in the bombed cities were putting their lives on the line day after day.
 
existentialist said:
It's the same problem you get with religion - some people fall into the trap of believing that the more pious you appear, the more pious you are. Style over substance.
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Corbyn has more integrity than Cameron, which wouldn't be that difficult really. Unfortunately, because of that integrity, he has stated his beliefs, which then makes him a prime target. I rather like Corbyn as a person, don't agree with his beliefs, but at least he is honest enough to state them. Who knows what the hell Cameron believes in, if anything other than his own well being.
 
Sasaferrato said:
My father was also in a reserved occupation, he volunteered in 1940 though. A lot of folk seem to forget that the country doesn't run itself during a war, people are needed to do that. Those incredibly brave people who fought the fires in the bombed cities were putting their lives on the line day after day.
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I don't think my grandads volunteered at all. One was a miner, the other a GP. But your point stands, I think, about those that helped in whatever way to keeping things going during that time. We watched a Lucy Worsley documentary over the weekend about the effect on women and women's lives. A generation of young men wiped out in WW1 and the reality of many, many women post 1918 of never being able to get married because the young men were all wiped out. I'd never really thought about that aspect before this weekend.
 
Mr.Bishie said:
Go fuck yourself. How fuckin' dare you tell someone else how to remember those (by cunts like you) sent to die in war. Piece of shit :mad:
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Dickhead, complete and utter dickhead. Read the Wiki article on him, it will turn your stomach.

'In 2000, he described the lifting of the ban on homosexuals in the military as "appalling" and went on to say that the "decision will be greeted with dismay, particularly by ordinary soldiers in Her Majesty's forces, many of whom joined the services precisely because they wished to turn their backs on some of the values of modern society".[5]'

I've got news for him, I had gay friends in the forces prior to 2000. As long as people were reasonably discrete, a blind eye was turned. That was absolutely 'equal' though, the same blind eye was turned when males visited their girl friends in the female accommodation. I'm not for one moment saying that the bar on gay men was just, it wasn't, but it was Military Law, and a bit of discretion kept the CO happy.
 
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