butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What on earth does 'as a nation' mean?
what no annual poppy bunfight thread?
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I enjoyed it
Me too. Trained in nursing and pharmacy, whilst getting paid about double what civvy trainees were paid. Saw a lot of bits of the world I would never have seen otherwise. Got paid to do parachute jumps.
There were some downsides though. I saw injuries that you would have difficulty in believing could occur. I got bombed and shot at, and seeing your comrades die in front of you is not good.
On balance, It was mostly good. Someone once summarised military service as 99% boredom and 1% sheer terror. That is probably right for the infantry, but as a medic you always had your 'day job'.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Not your post in particular, just a general reply really.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yep. They used to fight mostly on the promise of booty.
As Jacob Bronowski put it, 'War is organised theft.'
likesfish
You can't park here sir
Because the war was lost and everybody knew it only some generals and especially admirals wanted to go out in a blaze of glory taking the fleet on a "death ride."
Fortunatly the most gung ho sailors having volunteered for u boat or torpedo boat already. Those left on the battleships had spent a year on half rations confined to the harbour so were already extremly pissed off being ordered on a sucide mission for no good reason did nothing to improve things.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Offensive#Logistical_limitations
The germans were quite happy to fight when it looked like they could win but after that failure and the allies 100 days offensive everything fell apart. It wasnt a stab in the back the war was lost everyone knew it thats why the mutinys happened
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Do you know what the german revolution was? That didn't happen because the war was lost - the war was lost because the revolution was happening. And you above do exactly what i said - confusing germans for army and army for generals.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The German army didn't mutiny. It didn't fight because on most fronts it could no longer fight. Infantry without food and bullets, and artillery without food and shells aren't very effective, and even the Junkers monkeys who made up the German officer class weren't stupid enough to send their troops into battle with only a bayonet between them and the enemy.
The German navy mutinied (several times), but that was different, more to do with internal discipline and political agitation, although also with hunger.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The German army didn't "quit". The workers who made up the ranks couldn't fight - it's difficult to do so when you're freezing and starving, and you're getting news from home that your family is too - even if they wanted to. Rifles and machine guns don't function without bullets. Some of the action within German towns and cities was undertaken by troops who returned to barracks. They weren't all raving reds, either, but socialism was a fairly good medium through which to enunciate their discontent with the state - some of the poor bastards were still awaiting official demob in early 1920!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You're talking out of your arse. The governments of many of the lande, as well as the national goverment, had been suppressing revolutionary activity for at least 30 years prior to WW1. A significant minority of "other ranks" in the German army were of the left and hard left, even though leftwing parties were under sanction.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Interesting article here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret
about the political role of the army in post war Greece.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/30/athens-1944-britains-dirty-secret
about the political role of the army in post war Greece.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Bump, because the army is full of fascists:
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
£wall (STimes I think).
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I'm picturing a meaty hand clutching the third double glenmorangie on ice, red jowl a-quiver in some london gents club as he articulates a fantasy land bollocks. Probably some cold war relic
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
"Dumb insolence that's what it is, nothing but dumb insolence morning noon and night from Johnny Native"
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
I saw the first poppy sellers of the year during the week at New Street station - I'd forgotten it was coming round.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
thats another thing about how annoying this annual row is. You have to lay out your war-dead credentials before you start laying into the concept of poppy day. Oh my old man personally took the Eagle at Talevera before being cut down by machine gun fire etc.
It affected everyone. World war. Thats why the we shouldn't do our nods to the conscience salver of them who fucking well....I don't even know. Just annoyed now. I know the flu pandemic that wiped out nearly as many as the war itself post ww1. The politics of 'glorious dead' are rank. They were brave, yes but the choice was shot by the officer in charge or shot by enemy guns. Not ever knocking the people involved in either of the wars. Only its supposed to be all wars now. Bollocks and bullshit. A working class soldier has been mugged twice imho, first you are prole, second you took the queens quid.
It affected everyone. World war. Thats why the we shouldn't do our nods to the conscience salver of them who fucking well....I don't even know. Just annoyed now. I know the flu pandemic that wiped out nearly as many as the war itself post ww1. The politics of 'glorious dead' are rank. They were brave, yes but the choice was shot by the officer in charge or shot by enemy guns. Not ever knocking the people involved in either of the wars. Only its supposed to be all wars now. Bollocks and bullshit. A working class soldier has been mugged twice imho, first you are prole, second you took the queens quid.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
One thing I was totally unaware of was how little people donate in return for a poppy.
I only know this cos the till I'm working on at the moment has a box of poppies and a tin in front of it. Most people seem to put <50p in, some as little as 2p, and the shop is in a very affluent area.
I bet the same cunts that put 2p in the tin and take a poppy out are the same cunts that clutch at their pearls when someone doesn't wear a poppy. Hypocrites.
I only know this cos the till I'm working on at the moment has a box of poppies and a tin in front of it. Most people seem to put <50p in, some as little as 2p, and the shop is in a very affluent area.
I bet the same cunts that put 2p in the tin and take a poppy out are the same cunts that clutch at their pearls when someone doesn't wear a poppy. Hypocrites.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
It isn't about supporting wars for me, rather remembering the people that got caught up in them.
Though I have family that were in WWII whose motivation was ok.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Nah you should put in 50p take a poppy then wander out the shop, forget you bought a poppy recount your change and come back in accusing me of short changing you.
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