Weasel Straw strikes again (Pakistani men in Britain see white girls as "easy meat")

[pk]

answer no questions, tell ye no lies

Scared of your own opinions. Do you get scared when you get an erection? Assuming you're a bloke.. never thought to ask.

LOL, offski!

 

[belboid]

you're fucking wierd

 

[ernestolynch]

Trots are liberals not left-wingers.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Racism will never die as long as we have races. Someone will always hate someone else because theyre different. Its the nature of people.

I don't believe that is true actually. Hate is a sentiment that in my experience develops with more than just knowing/observing 'difference'. I think it is natural for people to notice difference, to be cautious/suspicious/curious, but not 'hate' automatically.

 

[_angel_]

racism

 

[ernestolynch]

raCism

 

[Blagsta]

Atheism is still a position that needs defining and defending. And sooner or later we're just back to the same old shit. This is human nature. We will never live in peace because it is against our nature.

We are "el mano conqistadore" or something like that. Born to hunt, compete.

Maybe it's time the gatherers, not the hunters, took charge.

Do I have a simple 24hr solution to providing women embedded within islamic stations a voice? No.

But the people who hand out the money do.

Just think if we could really live that Marxist dream for real.

Only Marx did not invent it.

None of you thick political student grants had the faintest idea that marxism had already been invented by the British decades before old Karl took to the stage.

I guess they didn't teach that in the pissy universities?

William Glass, now he invented what people now call communism back in 1816.

And he implemented it - and - it is a arguably a successful society to this day based upon similar principles. And British territory.

Do your homework now, politico twats. What you call marxism was invented by a Scotsman.

LOL!

My god

 

[smokedout]

Trots are liberals not left-wingers.

tell that to the kronstadt sailors

 

[butchersapron]

My god

..and they dare suggest that the drugs are getting weaker...

 

[Proper Tidy]

raping our white children

Bingo

 

[The39thStep]

BNP are now reporting that this grooming has now spread even to Scotland

 

[Spymaster]

An interesting thread this one if only because it's highlighted the futility of discussion of Islam with extreme lefties. Peekie's come out with some serious rot but Tidy and Belboids rebuttals to him have been absolutely useless. Simply shouting 'you're wrong' and abuse from the sidelines is totally sterile without a substantive back-up argument, which they don't have.

Also noteworthy is that nobody has attempted to challenge Thomsy's eminently sensible postings on the thread (with the exception of VP, and he failed to overturn a well reasoned position). The usual "defend Islam at all costs" brigade have instead taken the easy option and engaged (poorly) with PK's ramblings instead.

 

[past caring]

Nobody here has "defended" Islam you soppy git.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Nobody here has "defended" Islam you soppy git.

Innit

 

[The39thStep]

An interesting thread this one if only because it's highlighted the futility of discussion of Islam with extreme lefties. Peekie's come out with some serious rot but Tidy and Belboids rebuttals to him have been absolutely useless. Simply shouting 'you're wrong' and abuse from the sidelines is totally sterile without a substantive back-up argument, which they don't have.

Also noteworthy is that nobody has attempted to challenge Thomsy's eminently sensible postings on the thread (with the exception of VP, and he failed to overturn a well reasoned position). The usual "defend Islam at all costs" brigade have instead taken the easy option and engaged (poorly) with PK's ramblings instead.

Find some non 'extreme lefties' to discuss Islam with then, what about those who follow it?

 

[Spymaster]

Nobody here has "defended" Islam you soppy git.

Which is why that bit's in quotes. It's outlining a general M.O. rather than what's been argued here (nothing has been by Tidy and Belboid, just a bit of name calling and sniping).

There has however been a spirited defence from a few other posters of the notion that Pakistani mens shittier actions are influenced by Islamic doctrine. Unarguable by any reasonable measure and well dealt with by Thomsy.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Is pk's real name ric?

/sniping

 

[Spymaster]

Find some non 'extreme lefties' to discuss Islam with then, what about those who follow it?

You outed yourself as "not worth the bother" with this spectacularly pointless post:

most muslims are just normal people, have loads of diffrent views on all sorts of things. Why don't you try and relate to them as such?

working class mulsims working with and living in an area with working class catholics, agnostics, Jews , aethiests spend more time discussing Coronation street, X Factor and footbal, than what the Koran says.

 

[belboid]

ASimply shouting 'you're wrong' and abuse from the sidelines is totally sterile without a substantive back-up argument, which they don't have.

except no one has simply shouted 'youre wrong' - me n PT have both pointed out how the racist loving liar pk has deliberately lied about data, cherry picked data, ignored other data etc etc etc. The words we used may have been too long for you to understand, but they were all there. But dont let facts get in the way of your silly argument (every point of which has turned out to be false!)

 

[The39thStep]

You outed yourself as "not worth the bother" with this spectacularly pointless post:

why was that pointless?

 

[belboid]

why was that pointless?

because it didnt say what spymaster wanted you it say

 

[Spymaster]

why was that pointless?

That was explained to you yesterday in a subsequent post by LBJ, iirc.

 

[Proper Tidy]

You outed yourself as "not worth the bother" with this spectacularly pointless post:

He's spot on though - British Muslims are not isolated from mainstream British culture - they watch the same telly and listen to the same music and, most importantly of all, have more or less the same experiences as non-Muslims in most respects. What, muslims don't watch x-factor?

 

[Blagsta]

An interesting thread this one if only because it's highlighted the futility of discussion of Islam with extreme lefties. Peekie's come out with some serious rot but Tidy and Belboids rebuttals to him have been absolutely useless. Simply shouting 'you're wrong' and abuse from the sidelines is totally sterile without a substantive back-up argument, which they don't have.

Also noteworthy is that nobody has attempted to challenge Thomsy's eminently sensible postings on the thread (with the exception of VP, and he failed to overturn a well reasoned position). The usual "defend Islam at all costs" brigade have instead taken the easy option and engaged (poorly) with PK's ramblings instead.

My god you and pk should get married

 

[ernestolynch]

Trots must cause more racism than anyone, except for liberals.

 

[CyberRose]

Is there any point this thread still being open?

 

[ernestolynch]

Cop!

 

[Crispy]

Is there any point this thread still being open?

entertainment value, mostly

 

[Proper Tidy]

My favourite bit was when the EDL said pk was alright.

Lol

 

[Spymaster]

He's spot on though - British Muslims are not isolated from mainstream British culture ....

Some are, some aren't.

I think the same poster (The39thstep) who mentioned that he had read The Islamist. Assuming he means the book by Ed Hussain, he'll be aware that this very point is made in the book. That "regular muslims" are being radicalised by clerics who teach that religion and politics are inseperable and indeed they are being isolated from the mainstream British culture.

LBJ responded:

But this is the point that fundamentalists would make. And is the point that Thomsy was making. That they are in fact less Muslim than the true dedicated believer.

However, if you have a Muslim cleric who thinks this, who defends secularism, then you are on to something else – a version of Islam that does not see the religion as an all-encompassing system.

He's right.

The39thStep, apologies for the pissy tone I took when I quoted you first. I've just woken up with a bit of a hangover. The Islamist is an excellent read.