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War on Woke: Conservative Cultural Campaigning

Interesting thread that suggests that at a time when racism is less acceptable the war on woke transfers similar hateful attitudes in a way that can't be dismissed as racism. Makes sense as to why something so ludicrous has quite so much steam. It's bigotry gone PC mad.
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More to the thread than that but this aspect was new to me
 
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Interesting thread that suggests that at a time when racism is less acceptable the war on woke transfers similar hateful attitudes in a way that can't be dismissed as racism. Makes sense as to why something so ludicrous has quite so much steam. It's bigotry gone PC mad.
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More to the thread than that but this aspect was new to me


That’s so Guardian I was expecting a sourdough recipe at some point. :D
 
From that:

13. MOST IMPORTANTLY! Our research found there is another way! We tested the right's message against progressive messages calling for unity across race and class and organising around material interests. Our messages outperformed the anti-woke story.
I think this is important - more important than 'bashing' those who pursue the 'anti-woke' message is putting out why it's important. The Tories and the Far Right are relying on splitting people up and blaming problems on 'wokeness' so people won't notice what they're up to. We need the message that these people Do Not Care About You. They are not improving your quality of life, 'wokeness' is not damaging your quality of life - we need a politics that actually understands how people live in this country and that is a politics that is intersectional.
 
I think this is important - more important than 'bashing' those who pursue the 'anti-woke' message is putting out why it's important. The Tories and the Far Right are relying on splitting people up and blaming problems on 'wokeness' so people won't notice what they're up to. We need the message that these people Do Not Care About You. They are not improving your quality of life, 'wokeness' is not damaging your quality of life - we need a politics that actually understands how people live in this country and that is a politics that is intersectional.
Cloo for prime minister!
 
I think this is important - more important than 'bashing' those who pursue the 'anti-woke' message is putting out why it's important. The Tories and the Far Right are relying on splitting people up and blaming problems on 'wokeness' so people won't notice what they're up to. We need the message that these people Do Not Care About You. They are not improving your quality of life, 'wokeness' is not damaging your quality of life - we need a politics that actually understands how people live in this country and that is a politics that is intersectional.
There´s many a true word spoken in jest, and I repost this story from the Daily Mash which illustrates your point.....

 
Have I missed the bit where the Tories said wokeness was responsible for deindustrialisation?
 
So wtf is going on ... these fuckers are all 'anti-woke' and what not, ok, but we now have a government where (to quote the rolling news) 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men'

Are they trying to alienate their fan base? Or just a bunch of massive hypocrites?

How are they (tories) managing to tout this as a victory for diversity when they have literally been campaigning against wokeness for years now? How the fuck does this even work?

I think I'm used to politicians being hypocrites, and I'm also used to them being stupid. It's this current combination of the two, it's honestly just .. overwhelming.
 
Totally fits with their position, not a contradiction at all. Smokeandsteam and others explained it when Sunak was being talked about as potential PM.

Also think a mistake to think of them as stupid. I mean Truss not the sharpest knife in the draw but collectively they are very good at what they're doing. That's what makes them dangerous, to portray them as stupid does us no good at all.
 
Totally fits with their position, not a contradiction at all. Smokeandsteam and others explained it when Sunak was being talked about as potential PM.
I still don't get it I'm afraid. I think its just another example of the entitled tory attitude of 'I do what I want, you do what I say'
Also think a mistake to think of them as stupid. I mean Truss not the sharpest knife in the draw but collectively they are very good at what they're doing. That's what makes them dangerous, to portray them as stupid does us no good at all.
I disagree. Thinking of them as in any way competent is the mistake. They aren't playing 4D chess, they're just selfish, mean-spirited and hypocritical. They represent a particular kind of stupid, entitled, parochial Britishness we all recognise and live among. it's not clever, it's just popular, and it may become less popular over the next couple of years (but I don't expect it to) .. not because they're clever, but because we as a nation have very low expectations so it's not hard for our politicianscand pundits to appear impressive (especially with a client media consumed by 3/4 of the adult population or whatever).

They lie, double down on lies, muddy the waters, stoke division. Nothing about it is clever, we just cant seem to stop them, maybe collectively we just don't care enough any more idk.
 
So wtf is going on ... these fuckers are all 'anti-woke' and what not, ok, but we now have a government where (to quote the rolling news) 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men'

Are they trying to alienate their fan base? Or just a bunch of massive hypocrites?

How are they (tories) managing to tout this as a victory for diversity when they have literally been campaigning against wokeness for years now? How the fuck does this even work?

I think I'm used to politicians being hypocrites, and I'm also used to them being stupid. It's this current combination of the two, it's honestly just .. overwhelming.


Smokescreen, any criticism of the Conservatives can be deflected with “but we’re so diverse” which on the face of it sure, but all of them are operating from a perspective of frothing right wing lunacy so the diversity is in reality minimal.

Still same perspectives and beliefs deep within cabinet and experiences that do not necessarily reflect a wide range of life paths.
 
Smokescreen, any criticism of the Conservatives can be deflected with “but we’re so diverse” which on the face of it sure, but all of them are operating from a perspective of frothing right wing lunacy so the diversity is in reality minimal.

Still same perspectives and beliefs deep within cabinet and experiences that do not necessarily reflect a wide range of life paths.
Yes, it's just lies and manipulation. I see no cleverness, just that. Dishonesty and the usual brass neck of the ruling class.

What I don't get is how 'anti-woke' fits with 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men' .. how are they getting away with it among their own base, is what I can't get my head around.
 
What I don't get is how 'anti-woke' fits with 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men' .. how are they getting away with it among their own base, is what I can't get my head around.

Well the same way that 'wokeness' is flexible to cover more or less anything someone they don't like is doing, except in reverse.
 
What I don't get is how 'anti-woke' fits with 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men' .. how are they getting away with it among their own base, is what I can't get my head around.

Because being 'anti-woke' is not the same as being racist. Among other things it's a denial of structural issues, so having POC in positions like this strengthens an 'anti-woke' position, it doesn't contradict it.
 
So wtf is going on ... these fuckers are all 'anti-woke' and what not, ok, but we now have a government where (to quote the rolling news) 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men'

Are they trying to alienate their fan base? Or just a bunch of massive hypocrites?

How are they (tories) managing to tout this as a victory for diversity when they have literally been campaigning against wokeness for years now? How the fuck does this even work?

I think I'm used to politicians being hypocrites, and I'm also used to them being stupid. It's this current combination of the two, it's honestly just .. overwhelming.
This goes back to a Cameron era initiative to get more people of colour into the Conservative party. Cameron was socially liberal for a Conservative - see gay marriage for example - and noticed that there are a lot of people in minority groups who are conservative in attitude, but wouldn't touch the party with a bargepole due to years of explicit bigotry. The party was losing out on natural voters because of their racism. A lot of work went into promoting the party to conservatives in minority groups and those people within the party. Patel and Braverman and the rest are the result. It doesn't mean the racism in the membership has gone away, but they can point to the lack of diversity in the other parties to score political points, plus the visible minority faces serves to show that the Conservative party can be for minority groups, expanding their voter base.
 
What I don't get is how 'anti-woke' fits with 'none of the great offices of state are held by white men' .. how are they getting away with it among their own base, is what I can't get my head around.

Because the plan, as well as what Spandex and Artazerxes said, is to combat their idea of wokeness by putting in anti-woke non-white people to give the right-wing press lots of options to ridicule any criticism of "anti-woke" policies.
 
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Ironic that if a Labour cabinet had the same gender/race make up as Truss' , the Tories would be decrying it for being 'woke'

I think they might avoid that, since they've been crowing about being first to have a woman PM for decades.
They'd let the press do it for them.
 
Ironic that if a Labour cabinet had the same gender/race make up as Truss' , the Tories would be decrying it for being 'woke'
not really - it demonstrates very neatly how flexible this stuff is though: We have a cabinet full of minorities and women because with hard work, sacrifice and a can do attitude, anyone can succeed in the modern Conservative Party! You have a shadow cabinet full of MPs who've been promoted beyond their abilities because of woke affirmative action policies, etc etc.
 
not really - it demonstrates very neatly how flexible this stuff is though: We have a cabinet full of minorities and women because with hard work, sacrifice and a can do attitude, anyone can succeed in the modern Conservative Party! You have a shadow cabinet full of MPs who've been promoted beyond their abilities because of woke affirmative action policies, etc etc.
Exactly. PoC and women succeed in conservatism yes, by their hard work, but also by keeping schtum about any racism or sexism they experience, because they don't want to be one of those whingey victims and anyway you've got to take a joke and have a thick skin in this world. And they know they'd be out on their arse if they acknowledged any prejudice towards them.
 
Nope, still not getting it. I mean no, I understand the theory but in order for it to actually work, millions of us have to just go with it, the total lack of self awareness and blatant dishonesty and gaslighting. The next general election ought to be a doozy.
 
I also wonder whether in part we’ve ended up with a diverse cabinet is because the government has now cycled through so many old white men who’d normally get priority for positions
 
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