Wankers of the World (well Bulmental, Lowkey, Galloway and Williamson) Unite for No2NATO Conference, London 25 Feb. Urban75 are invited to attend.

[Lurdan]

Apparently, Galloway's No2Nato meeting has gone ahead ?

Seems so:

Full House eh. The Bolivar Hall is apparently a 140 seat venue.

Still, it has to be admitted, getting nearly 150 people to turn out to listen to this fucker is some kind of achievement.

The bucket for the vegetarian curry seems to be empty. Perhaps they're all fasting in solidarity with the victims of NATO sanctions.

twitter links: -- one -- two -- three -- four

 

[Brainaddict]

Yeah not a total surprise to be fair - Anti-Semitic shit is entrenched in the circles I'm sure he mixes in. Not familiar with Williamson either so will look it up. Good to know.

I've a couple of times on here pointed out a blatantly anti-semitic lyric from Lowkey - like you can't even argue over whether it is. But people who like his music and his leftness have still chosen to ignore his anti-semitism.

Apropos of nothing, I wonder why, when the press was looking for a convincing stick to beat the left with a few years ago, they settled on anti-semitism....

 

[The39thStep]

Seems so:

Full House eh. The Bolivar Hall is apparently a 140 seat venue.

Still, it has to be admitted, getting nearly 150 people to turn out to listen to this fucker is some kind of achievement.

The bucket for the vegetarian curry seems to be empty. Perhaps they're all fasting in solidarity with the victims of NATO sanctions.

twitter links: -- one -- two -- three -- four

They are claiming three sittings

 

[a_chap]

It can't be a "full house". I bought a ticket so I could deliberately not attend in protest.

 

[Karl Masks]

They are claiming three sittings

Is that Sir Keir, on the aisle, clapping? :O

 

[Karl Masks]

Didn't know RT had ceased broadcasting.

I'm pretty sure I've heard Galloway doing a radio talk show since 2019, though possibly as a stand-in for someone else who was taking a break.

wasn't he on Talk Radio?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Real socialists and internationalists expose and destroy the Putinist quisling STW and CND fuckwits:

 

[andysays]

wasn't he on Talk Radio?

See the post from ska I was responding to

 

[The39thStep]

Real socialists and internationalists expose and destroy the Putinist quisling STW and CND fuckwits:

First time I have heard of the AWL orbit being described like that

 

[nogojones]

First time I have heard of the AWL orbit being described like that

Are they? I don't keep up with those folks. Yuliya Yurchenka is generally worth reading, but I can't say I know the others. Are Haymarket books partisan?

 

[Karl Masks]

First time I have heard of the AWL orbit being described like that

How the hell is the layman ever meant to know who's good or bad these days? I mean it's easy enough with a primadonna like Galloway and his bigotry. But i've never even heard of these people? I saw a debate between a guy called Pete from AWL (iirc) and Chris Williamson on a youtube channel called Not The Andrew Marr show (they host the latter a lot apparenlty, and dismally). Williamson's position was more or less entirely putin centric while Pete made a lot of sense IMO. I don't have time to learn about every left socialist group. This is nuts

 

[The39thStep]

Are they? I don't keep up with those folks. Yuliya Yurchenka is generally worth reading, but I can't say I know the others. Are Haymarket books partisan?

Yes, generally I think that's the AWL orbit these days. The first two are Sotsialnyi Rukh ( Social Movement) who are AWL aligned , the others are 4th International Shachtman types from the states.
I think most left wing book publishers can be described as 'partisan' in some ways, Haywood books is a bit like Pluto books ie generally 'third camp' left?

 

[PR1Berske]

How the hell is the layman ever meant to know who's good or bad these days? I mean it's easy enough with a primadonna like Galloway and his bigotry. But i've never even heard of these people? I saw a debate between a guy called Pete from AWL (iirc) and Chris Williamson on a youtube channel called Not The Andrew Marr show (they host the latter a lot apparenlty, and dismally). Williamson's position was more or less entirely putin centric while Pete made a lot of sense IMO. I don't have time to learn about every left socialist group. This is nuts

The family tree of left- and far-left groups I used to see a lot is significantly out of date. If you try to follow all the branches on Wikipedia you'd go blind.

 

[The39thStep]

How the hell is the layman ever meant to know who's good or bad these days? I mean it's easy enough with a primadonna like Galloway and his bigotry. But i've never even heard of these people? I saw a debate between a guy called Pete from AWL (iirc) and Chris Williamson on a youtube channel called Not The Andrew Marr show (they host the latter a lot apparenlty, and dismally). Williamson's position was more or less entirely putin centric while Pete made a lot of sense IMO. I don't have time to learn about every left socialist group. This is nuts

A layperson is more likely to come into contact with the Jehovah's Witnesses or the Mormons more than these groups tbh. Sotsialnyi Rukh ( Social Movement) for example probably have a bigger following amongst western lefty social media that support Ukraine than they do on the ground in Ukraine.

 

[Karl Masks]

The family tree of left- and far-left groups I used to see a lot is significantly out of date. If you try to follow all the branches on Wikipedia you'd go blind.

Quite

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The STWC have turned off the comments on this post after their pro-genocide damp squib rally in London was relentlessly mocked:

 

[krink]

I've a couple of times on here pointed out a blatantly anti-semitic lyric from Lowkey - like you can't even argue over whether it is. But people who like his music and his leftness have still chosen to ignore his anti-semitism.

Apropos of nothing, I wonder why, when the press was looking for a convincing stick to beat the left with a few years ago, they settled on anti-semitism....

I can't find the post about his lyrics but I might be searching wrong. Was it the "global kosher nostra" stuff he said on BBC?

 

[hitmouse]

I can't find the post about his lyrics but I might be searching wrong. Was it the "global kosher nostra" stuff he said on BBC?

Quick search found this:

Subversive Music - RATM, Lowkey, Akala, Slaves, Allflaws

www.urban75.net

Which isn't great, although otoh I don't think Adam Smith was Jewish? Looking up the lyrics to that song, he does also compare himself to Professor Griff, which is certainly a choice.

 

[Brainaddict]

Quick search found this:

Subversive Music - RATM, Lowkey, Akala, Slaves, Allflaws

www.urban75.net

Which isn't great, although otoh I don't think Adam Smith was Jewish? Looking up the lyrics to that song, he does also compare himself to Professor Griff, which is certainly a choice.

Why is he talking about bloodlines? That notion only appears in conspiracy theories, all of which have their roots in anti-semitic conspiracy theories about particular family bloodlines that control the world. Then one person he praises in the lyrics is a well-known anti-semite, while two of the enemies he names (Coen and Rothschild) are jewish. I do not think this is subtle.

You can look up Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of the Illuminati if you want to see the full collision of conspiracism with anti-semitism. He's one of the better-known propagators of the bloodlines conspiracy stuff. You can't even dabble in this stuff and not be playing with anti-semitism - it is at the core of it. And before you know it you start naming your good guys and bad guys in lyrics and well, just look at that, isn't that a coincidence...

 

[hitmouse]

Why is he talking about bloodlines? That notion only appears in conspiracy theories, all of which have their roots in anti-semitic conspiracy theories about particular family bloodlines that control the world. Then one person he praises in the lyrics is a well-known anti-semite, while two of the enemies he names (Coen and Rothschild) are jewish. I do not think this is subtle.

You can look up Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of the Illuminati if you want to see the full collision of conspiracism with anti-semitism. He's one of the better-known propagators of the bloodlines conspiracy stuff. You can't even dabble in this stuff and not be playing with anti-semitism - it is at the core of it. And before you know it you start naming your good guys and bad guys in lyrics and well, just look at that, isn't that a coincidence...

I mean, looking it up, there is a line about two lines before about "Declared a republic, and ended your monarchy", and the monarchy are pretty keen on bloodlines. Although neither Smith or the Rothschilds are monarchs. One of those tricky things about the UK never having properly completed its bourgeois revolution is that we do have all kinds of ancient powerful families that make those kinds of conspiratorial pseudo-explanations more tempting. Obv, it's not a great lyric, and it seems like he has gone down some dodgy political pathways, but that lyric on its own is still ambiguous imo.

 

[Brainaddict]

I mean, looking it up, there is a line about two lines before about "Declared a republic, and ended your monarchy", and the monarchy are pretty keen on bloodlines. Although neither Smith or the Rothschilds are monarchs. One of those tricky things about the UK never having properly completed its bourgeois revolution is that we do have all kinds of ancient powerful families that make those kinds of conspiratorial pseudo-explanations more tempting. Obv, it's not a great lyric, and it seems like he has gone down some dodgy political pathways, but that lyric on its own is still ambiguous imo.

I don't think the term 'bloodlines' is ambiguous. Particularly when he links it to the Rothschilds, not to the monarchy. It's not a normal term you just slip into a line to make it scan, it's a particular terminology from conspiracy theories. If people supposedly on the left even dabble in conspiracy theories of this sort they should be told, first quietly - then if they ignore that very loudly - to fucking stop. It shouldn't be acceptable. And along with the other people named in 'soundtrack to the struggle' I don't think there's much ambiguity here about his line of thinking.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I don't think the term 'bloodlines' is ambiguous. Particularly when he links it to the Rothschilds, not to the monarchy. It's not a normal term you just slip into a line to make it scan, it's a particular terminology from conspiracy theories. If people supposedly on the left even dabble in conspiracy theories of this sort they should be told, first quietly - then if they ignore that very loudly - to fucking stop. It shouldn't be acceptable. And along with the other people named in 'soundtrack to the struggle' I don't think there's much ambiguity here about his line of thinking.

There are four people negatively mentioned negatively in the song - Lyor Cohen, Adam Smith, Rothschild and Rupert Murdock. Neither Smith nor Murdoch are Jewish. Cohen has a context, he is one of the most successful entrepreneurs in hip hop, so perhaps understandable why an underground, independent artist wouldn't like him. The Rothschild reference is the dodgyist imo, and the positive allusion to Professor Griff only makes it worse. But does Lowkey have a track record of anti-semitism beyond these questionable lyrics?

 

[Brainaddict]

There are four people negatively mentioned negatively in the song - Lyor Cohen, Adam Smith, Rothschild and Rupert Murdock. Neither Smith nor Murdoch are Jewish. Cohen has a context, he is one of the most successful entrepreneurs in hip hop, so perhaps understandable why an underground, independent artist wouldn't like him. The Rothschild reference is the dodgyist imo, and the positive allusion to Professor Griff only makes it worse. But does Lowkey have a track record of anti-semitism beyond these questionable lyrics?

Only 50% of his enemies are Jewish you say? That's fine then!

I'd be interested to know if passes the danny la rouge sniff test: lyrics: Lowkey (Ft. Mavado) – Soundtrack to the Struggle
Am I just overreacting to the term 'bloodlines' and the juxtaposition of names?

 

[danny la rouge]

Only 50% of his enemies are Jewish you say? That's fine then!

I'd be interested to know if passes the danny la rouge sniff test: lyrics: Lowkey (Ft. Mavado) – Soundtrack to the Struggle
Am I just overreacting to the term 'bloodlines' and the juxtaposition of names?

“
I hold your bloodline, accountable for every crime
Adam Smith to Rothschild, It's all been a clever lie
Two choices now, revolution or genocide”

Whose bloodline? Whose genocide?

I’d steer clear. Sounds well dodgy.

 

[Dogsauce]

Is that Sir Keir, on the aisle, clapping? :O

I wonder what he’s whispering to Neil Kinnock in the adjacent seat?

 

[Karl Masks]

I wonder what he’s whispering to Neil Kinnock in the adjacent seat?

"We're alright!"

 

[Joe Chi Min]

I mean, looking it up, there is a line about two lines before about "Declared a republic, and ended your monarchy", and the monarchy are pretty keen on bloodlines. Although neither Smith or the Rothschilds are monarchs. One of those tricky things about the UK never having properly completed its bourgeois revolution is that we do have all kinds of ancient powerful families that make those kinds of conspiratorial pseudo-explanations more tempting. Obv, it's not a great lyric, and it seems like he has gone down some dodgy political pathways, but that lyric on its own is still ambiguous imo.

That’s the problem with rap though isn’t it, when you’ve got to fill bar after bar with your ‘own thoughts’ a lot of the time you are gonna veer off into bullshittery

 

[TopCat]

“
I hold your bloodline, accountable for every crime
Adam Smith to Rothschild, It's all been a clever lie
Two choices now, revolution or genocide”

Whose bloodline? Whose genocide?

I’d steer clear. Sounds well dodgy.

I would agree. I liked his flow on a free palestine demo about 12 years ago but this stuff is not on. A lot of it about though, not sure about bedfellows but the right certainly ignore all the racism in Israel when they constantly affirm their support.

 

[nobody’s houby]

That’s the problem with rap though isn’t it, when you’ve got to fill bar after bar with your ‘own thoughts’ a lot of the time you are gonna veer off into bullshittery

Or fill your sentences with superfluous, self-importance ala krtek a houby

 

[krtek a houby]

Or fill your sentences with superfluous, self-importance ala krtek a houby

Having conversations with yourself and liking your own posts isn't self important, at all, of course.

Anyway, what a glorious return that was, Jay/Joe. Back to steaming in your rage and impotence!