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Uruguay v Ghana

What Suarez did tonight is NOT cheating! However, what Thierry Henry did against Ireland blatantly was.

What did he do? He punched it into the net with his hand didn't he? :D


And really - what else did he get wrong? apart from the missed penalty to uruguay (but im not sure that should have been a penalty tbf)
 
ITV news headline just then-

"Ghana cheated out of an historic world cup semi final place"

Idiots. :rolleyes:
 
What did he do? He punched it into the net with his hand didn't he? :D


And really - what else did he get wrong? apart from the missed penalty to uruguay (but im not sure that should have been a penalty tbf)

I think there is a difference between an instinctive act - for which he was rightly punished by the sending off and penalty - and a deliberate act, like walking into someone's arm and then pretending your head is falling off :D

The latter is cheating the former is just kinda the way of things *(can't think of a word to describe it really :oops:)

eta: * comes under the kind of luck/opportunity banner maybe?
 
It was never a free kick to set the situation up either. Plenty of rolling about by the Ghana players during the game too. Can't fault Suarez for what he did, and he was justly punished according to the Laws of the Game.

This. I had the impression both players were running for the ball, and the Ghanian just took a head-front dive. I'm sure reactions would be the same if instead of a Ghanian the player was Totti or Henry :rolleyes: Not to mention, they're at par with Italy when it comes to stumble and roll on the ground and then walk arms open towards the referee, argue with every call, moan on every corner, etc.

Also, in what way Suarez "cheated"? He knew the ball was going in, and tried to stop it no matter the cost. Blocked it out, the ref saw him, was sent off, and Ghana had the rule-observed penalty shot. Even if the team ultimately benefited from his action, he paid the price and it was Ghana who failed to carry the other (the collective, in a way of saying) half of the punishment. Or was anybody expecting Benquerença to score the penalty kick himself?
 
Regardless of everything else, I don't think it's up for debate whether he cheated or not: he broke the rules of the game, hence why he was punished.

Otherwise why was he sent off :confused:

By "cheating", in a footballing context, it is implied he tried to get away with it, which he didn't. Or is any player who makes any foul (breaking the rules of the game) is a "cheater"?
 
By "cheating", in a footballing context, it is implied he tried to get away with it, which he didn't. Or is any player who makes any foul (breaking the rules of the game) is a "cheater"?
hmmmmm...... I would actually say that yes, fouling is cheating, in the strictest sense of the term.

Interestingly, BBC text would agree that he didn't cheat:
OK, I'm hearing you - but can we just get one thing clear? Luis Suarez did not cheat. He used the rules to his advantage, got lucky and then got even luckier. It's football's fault there isn't such a thing as a penalty try, not Luis Suarez's.
 
He did the only thing possible in the circumstances that would give his team a chance of staying in the World Cup

And it worked. He knew he'd be sent off and concede a penalty, but there was no other option. And it worked out for him. Wasn't even cheating really. More of an in the moment risk that paid off.

Fair enough :)

It was the football equivalent of the scene in a film where some guy jumps on a live grenade, knowing he's going to die, to save the rest of his platoon.
 
Sorry Dr. Furface, I don't understand - one was a deliberate handball and the other... was a deliberate handball. :rolleyes: back at ya :):p
This is great, it's getting like a moral philosophy class! :D

Yes, they were both handball, but the context of the two offences were totally different. Suarez denied an obvious goal but knew the consequences and accepted them. Henry created a situation from which a winning goal arose but even if the ref had called it correctly he knew that he might only have got a yellow card, and that it would not have materially affected his team in a negative way. He got lucky because the goal was allowed to stand, but he made no attempt to own up to his offence - until after the game when he knew it would make no difference.

And that's just blatant cheating.
 
By "cheating", in a footballing context, it is implied he tried to get away with it, which he didn't. Or is any player who makes any foul (breaking the rules of the game) is a "cheater"?
Cheat can also mean "to deprive of" so he did cheat Ghana out of a goal.
 
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